This is posted in neutrality, hopefully people can keep it that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - goodbye filesharing...
- Thread starter Candlelight
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It is legal to rip songs from CDs you own. How the hell are these guards supposed to differentiate such songs from those that were illegally downloaded/ripped?
Haven't they been trying to stop this stuff for like 20 years now? If they haven't done it by now, they aren't going to do it. The only success they've had is kicking over a Napster shaped ant hill here and there; but that only succeeds in scattering the ants.
Thank God I never plan to do any travelling. You've already got minimum-wage thugs practically strip searching people looking for bombs, knives, shampoo and pocket knives. But now they'll be digging through peoples laptops and memory sticks? Jeebus.
Could care less about protecting dvd and cd pirates. But I'd damn well be able to get my Dr Who fix.
Could care less about protecting dvd and cd pirates. But I'd damn well be able to get my Dr Who fix.
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It'll take me 12 hours to travel from NZ to LA, and maybe another 12 at customs...
It honestly does seem idiotic that they are going to get people to check iPods and laptops and junk for pirated material when I'm sure they still don't have a perfect system for screening explosives or weapons.
Won't happen.
Ah well. What ya gonna do? People will just have to pay for their music again.
Or, you know, stop listening to the crap the music industry churns out now.
Well, I wasn't aware of any border controls between the American and the European internets until now. 
Technically, no, there is some fair use law in the US, but I don't think it specifically covers digital recordings. It's definitely illegal in the UK, but they have said they would never prosecute anyone for it, but they haven't changed the law.
Fair Use laws in the US allow you to make back-ups of the digit properties you own. It's making them available to others that's illegal. It's only for "personal use"
You most certainly are allowed by law to rip your CDs onto your computer.
I've heard fair use only extends to time shifting, and not format shifting. But I guess it could just be one of those "We own your soul" arguments the industry comes up with.
Good news for you Bobby boy, I know as of Jan 1st of this year, all your music ripping was made illegal in that blanket law, but
I don't know if that's in effect now, or if it's yet to be signed into law, but it looks like you're ok across the pond too.
Yeah, they said that although it was illegal they would never prosecute anyone, because if they did it would turn 22m, or so, people in to criminals.
If you carry an MP3 player or iPod when you travel, I'd make damn sure you kept a backup copy of your stuff at home.
And yes, I will admit I've ripped cd's that I own onto my computer for my own nefarious amusement. So, I wave my private parts at any FBI agents who might be monitoring this thread.
And yes, I will admit I've ripped cd's that I own onto my computer for my own nefarious amusement. So, I wave my private parts at any FBI agents who might be monitoring this thread.
I would guess that most people would, at least, have all their music on their computers - since that's generally how you get it onto the iPod in the first place.
Me, I don't plan on going overseas anytime soon, but if this thing passes (and I doubt it will), I will simply leave my iPod at home when I happen to do so.
I'd put serious encryption on all my shit and laugh hysterically as some more airport security guy who got drafted to the "ipod checker"
Then, when they if they took it further, I'd claim I had private business files on all the machines and they'd be violating corperate secrets.
I'll be damned if I'd let some yahoo customs agent rummage through all the files on my laptop, ipod and flash drives.
Then, when they if they took it further, I'd claim I had private business files on all the machines and they'd be violating corperate secrets.
I'll be damned if I'd let some yahoo customs agent rummage through all the files on my laptop, ipod and flash drives.
You're a freedom-hating anti-capitalist, aren't you? Just admit it.
The Border Patrol is supposed to do this, huh? 
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
So what are they gonna do, set up shop at all the boarder crossings and root around in people's laptops, mp3 players and cell phones?
And how are they gonna tell what people have legally or illegally downloaded? On an iPod you can have legal downloads from iTunes, illegal downloads from other places, legal downloads from other places, and stuff you uploaded yourself off CDs sitting on your shelf.
And the border patrol is gonna monitor all this?
Me? I'm thinkin' their time would be better spent protecting our boarders from more 911-like terrorists.
But maybe my priorities are in the wrong place. Who cares if another 3,000 people die. What is really important is that some 13-year old doesn't have Madonna's latest tune on her iPod without documented sales slips, which she will be required to bring with her on vacation.
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
So what are they gonna do, set up shop at all the boarder crossings and root around in people's laptops, mp3 players and cell phones?
And how are they gonna tell what people have legally or illegally downloaded? On an iPod you can have legal downloads from iTunes, illegal downloads from other places, legal downloads from other places, and stuff you uploaded yourself off CDs sitting on your shelf.
And the border patrol is gonna monitor all this?
Me? I'm thinkin' their time would be better spent protecting our boarders from more 911-like terrorists.
But maybe my priorities are in the wrong place. Who cares if another 3,000 people die. What is really important is that some 13-year old doesn't have Madonna's latest tune on her iPod without documented sales slips, which she will be required to bring with her on vacation.