How Did Earth Get United?

[Timo]

Hoshi's and T'Pol's discussion of the Vulcans having opened diplomatic relations with the United States, rather than with humans as a whole (did T'Pol say something about it being the most powerful nation-state? I don't recall)

Sounds interesting - I didn't find it in the obvious places like "Carbon Creek" or "Carpenter Street" or "Storm Front", but it does ring a bell.

and a comparison of known conditions in the US between 2363 and the late 2370s versus the post-atomic horror in East Asia.

How do we know there was post-atomic horror in East Asia? For all we know, Q's kangaroo court resided in Washington DC.

And what do we know about the conditions in the US between 2063 and 2079?

That the United States continued to add states also suggests that it came out of the war better than most.

Actually, what we know is that the US did not add states after the war. There were 52 from 2033 through 2079, according to Data.

Lilly first brings up ECON, btw, during the Borg bombardment of the missile camp near Bozeman.

True. But Picard doesn't listen in on this - the only one within earshot is Cochrane.

Does Lily perhaps say something to Data before machine-gunning him?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Anwar]

No, she doesn't. Picard is the first one to mention "Eastern Coalition" which is how the audience inferred that was what "ECON" meant.

 

[Trevacious]

How? Free Love, baby.

 

[MichaelJCO]

>Hi Thanks for reading the timeline.I had completely forgotten about the female African-American president on Mt Rushmore that is mentioned in the Star Trek V :The Final Fronteir novelization.I dont think that she is metioned anywhere else.In my timeline Stephanie Garrison who was president from 2049-2053 was African- American.Maybe I can redo the timeline and switch her with Nadine O'Hara who was president from 2021-2029.Maybe what Garrison gets the honor for is ending the Sanctuary Districts and addressing other gross inequalities that were threatening to implode American society.Perhaps without what she did the United States would have been taken over by the Optimum Movewment as well.A perfect time for her addition would have been in 2076 at the celebration of the tricentennial of the United States.In the Federation novelization Micah Brach is ticking off a list or wars to Zefram Cochrane and after Khan he mentions Antartica.I'm thinking of including this conflict in this timeline as well as the one I'm going to do for Star Trek First Contact.Suppose that some type of resource(oil,gold?)was found in Antartica. Nations in the Pacific Rim (Australia,Japan,China)that had recently been devestated in the Eugenics War attempt to start extracting despite the environmetal damage(bigger ozone hole) it would cause.The United States and a few countries from the Democratic Alliance oppose them.The US wins the war and the New United Nations is formed in its wake.But so is the Optimal Republics of Earth in the Federation timeline and the ECON(Eastern Coalition of Nations).Perhaps Stephanie Garrison also received the accolade of being added to Mt Rushmore for doing the right thing in the Antartica war and being a force behind the New UN. Also good points about Colonel Green.I have made him basically a byproduct of the Eugenics War in that he was raised in a family that had supported the Great Khanate.The Optimal Republics of Earth slowly take over countries in Europe ,Oceania and even South America in the 2060's and 2070's.Perhaps in the process Green made or started to negoiate treaties with certain nations he later attacked.Perhaps he was careful to attack only countries that hadn't joined the New UN.
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>>From: "robert j c gill" <rjcgill@g2a.net>
>>To: <eddiejohn74@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: World War III in the Star Trek :Federation timeline Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:17:06 -0500
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>>Since some people think this ST material is off-topic on SHWI, I'll respond here. OK?
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>> >"Michael E Johnson" wrote:
>>[snip]
>>Patrick Stephen Green (Colonel) 2021-2083
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>>[snip]
>> >His tyrannical rule is well known and was of course topped by
>>the appalling atrocity he committed on July 13,2078 in causing a
>>nuclear exchange with the New United Nations that killed
>>millions.
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>>Wouldn't Colonel Green have been a product of the *early*
>>(as opposed to the late) 21st Century? Yes, it would have
>>made more sense to make him responsible for the atrocities of
>>the Post-Atomic Horror (otherwise, the Excalbians of _The
>>Savage Curtain_ wouldn't have selected him as one of Earth's worst
>>historical figures), but I think the episode (as well as Bjo Trimble's
>>_Star Trek Concordance_) placed him at an earlier date in the century.
>> Also, the episode said that Col. Green was said to be notorious for
>>striking at enemies in the middle of treaty negotiations; exactly when
>>did *that* happen in this timeline?
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>>[snip]
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>> >United States Presidents 1989-2079
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>> >George HW Bush -(R) 1989-1993
>>William J Clinton-(D)1993-2001
>>Colin L Powell -(R) 2001-2009
>>Christine T Whitman-(R) 2009-2017
>>John F Kennedy Jr- (D) 2017-2021
>>Nadine O'Hara -(D)2021-2029
>>Michael A Jacobi- (R) 2029-2037
>>Jessica Collins- (R) 2037-2045
>>Erica Whittaker -(R) 2045-2049
>>Stephanie Garrison- (D) 2049-2053
>>Gabriel Mendoza -(D) 2053-2061
>>Rebecca Hogan -(R) 2061-2069
>>Christine Thomas -(D) 2069-2071
>>Mark Chang -(D) 2071-2077
>>Jonathan Littlehawk-(D) 2077-2079
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>>I seem to recall another U.S. President from ST continuity,
>>this one on Mt. Rushmore (a deleted scene in ST V: The Final Frontier),
>>so I have two questions:
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>>1.) Is the ST V Rushmore Prez in question--an African-American
>>woman in that deleted scene--any of the female Presidents mentioned
>>above? I don't think she could be from a later date in U.S. history,
>>since you say that these catastrophic events marked the death
>>of the old United States.
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>>2.) Is the ST V President mentioned in any novel besides the ST V
>>novelization; if so, does it provide any more details about her?
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This is a WWIII timeline that ignores the "canon" established in First Contact. It is based on the 2079 date given in Encounter at Farpoint,the Judith and Garfield Reeeves-Stevens novel Federation and stuff I made up

It should be noted that Enterprise finally confirmed that Colonel
Green was American and operated in the aftermath of WWIII. - MEJ

World War III


October 5,2059- The Optimum movement,a neo-fascist organization in
the
tradition of Nazi Germany and the Great Khanate,forms the Optimal
Republics of Earth to replace the "so called New United Nations".The
movement continues to build support in Europe and Oceania.


March 16 ,2060 -The government of Australia becomes Optimal under the
leadership of Colonel Patrick Green who puts the Australian Prime
Minister under house arrest.New Zealand follows the same course on
March 27.


May 2,2060 - The Stockholm Massacre occurs.Colonel Adrick Thorsen,a
leading member of Colonel Green's cadre,quells a ration demonstration
in Stockholm Sweden by deploying battlefield pulse emitters against
unarmed civilians.Nearly 700 were killed and over 2000 injured in
that
brutal assault.


March 19,2061 - Colonel Adrik Thorsen unsuccessfully attempts to
obtain faster than light technology from American scientist Zefram
Cochrane.


June 2,2071- US President Christine Thomas,Secretary of State John F
Kennedy III and 11 others are killed in a hover copter explosion over
Paris ,France.Evidence,that is withheld from the American public to
avert a war,suggests Optimum involvement.


August 26 ,2075- To the shock and horror of the United States and the
remaining democracies in the world, The Optimum is victorious in
Great
Britain's parliamentary elections.


September 17, 2075- Queen Mary III is imprisoned for opposing Optimum
policies.


October 6,2075 - The Cambridge Riots occur.The Optimum government
sends in Fourth World Mercenaries to close down Cambridge
University.They use shredder bombs to disperse protesting faculty and
students-nearly 1000 are killed,hundreds wounded.


June 8,2078- Optimum forces invaded Belarus,Ukraine and Moldavia.The
next day they move into Venezuela,Ecuador,Columbia and Peru.The New
United Nations condemns these invasions.The United
States,Russia,Mexico and several other Central American,African and
Asian nations declare war on the Optimum over the next few days.


July 13,2078 -Colonel Green starts a nuclear exchange between the
Optimal Republics of Earth and the New United Nations.37 million are
killed in the initial exchange.Millions die eventually.


April 19,2079 President Littlehawk,former presidents Chang and Hogan
and 72 others are killed in an explosion at the Powell Institute
while
planning the defeat of remaining Optimum forces.It is later
discovered
that Vice President Tricia Brown was an Optimum operative
instrumental
in causing this tragedy.This date is considered the end of the old
United States government as no more presidential elections were held
and what was the remaining United States government lead the recovery
movement with the New United Nations and Earth colonies which
eventually formed the United Earth government in the 22nd century.


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Patrick Stephen Green (Colonel) 2021-2083


Colonel Patrick Green was a founder of the Optimum movement and lead
the Optimal Republics of Earth from 2059-2079.Green grew up in one of
the few Australian families that had publicly supported the Great
Khanate when it occupied Australia from 1994-1996.His lifelong
obsession with finding what was optimal for humankind lead to the his
joining one of the fledgling neo-fascist organizations that sprung up
in the 2030's and 2040's on an increasingly poor and polluted
Earth.His tyrannical rule is well known and was of course topped by
the appalling atrocity he committed on July 13,2078 in causing a
nuclear exchange with the New United Nations that killed
millions.Green fled the earth when his forces neared defeat in
September 2079.He was found in an obscure asteroid colony in 2082
,having undergone reconstructive surgery, and was extradited back to
Earth.Green was found guilty and was executed for crimes against
humanity on October 5,2083.


Mary Anne McDonald (Colonel) 2030-2082


Colonel Mary McDonald was the notorious Optimum leader in Great
Britain who succeeded Adrik Thorsen (2028-2078) after his
assassination by resistance forces on June 21,2078.She was brutal in
her suppression of the resistance and increasingly restless British
public.McDonald is best remembered for the order to execute Queen
Mary
III on September 11,2079.Queen Mary had been held at Highgate prison
since 2075 as an enemy of the Optimal Republic of Great
Britain.McDonald was captured at an Ireland spaceport on October 25
2079 attempting to flee Earth in the wake of the Optimum's defeat.She
was put on trial ant the International military tribunal in San
Francisco CA and executed for crimes against humanity on April
18,2082.


The House of Windsor 1936-2079


George VI- 1936-1952
Elizabeth II- 1952-2013
William V - 2013-2066
Mary III - 2066-2079


United States Presidents 1989-2079


George HW Bush -R 1989-1993
William J Clinton-(D)1993-2001
Colin L Powell -R 2001-2009
Christine T Whitman-R 2009-2017
John F Kennedy Jr- (D) 2017-2021
Nadine O'Hara -(D)2021-2029
Michael A Jacobi- R 2029-2037
Jessica Collins- R 2037-2045
Erica Whittaker -R 2045-2049
Stephanie Garrison- (D) 2049-2053
Gabriel Mendoza -(D) 2053-2061
Rebecca Hogan -R 2061-2069
Christine Thomas -(D) 2069-2071
Mark Chang -(D) 2071-2077
Jonathan Littlehawk-(D) 2077-2079


If one speaks of a curse related to American presidents one surely
applies to those presidents who were born in the 21st century.All
4-(Christine Thomas 2019-2071,Mark Chang 2005-2079,Rebecca Hogan
2010-2079 and Jonathan Littlehawk 2016-2079)died violent deaths as
targets of Optimum assassination.President Christine Thomas was
killed
in a hover copter explosion over Paris, France on June 2,2071.It was
later determined that an Optimum bomb was responsible.Thomas'
successor President Mark Chang (D) suppressed this information as he
was aware that public knowledge of the presidents murder would lead
to
a war with the ORE (Optimal Republics of Earth).The most striking
evidence of this curse occurred on April 19,2079.On that day
President
Jonathan Littlehawk and former presidents Mark Chang and Rebecca
Hogan
were killed in the bombing of the Powell Institute building in
suburban Washington DC(which had been partially destroyed in the
nuclear war the previous year).The 3 presidents were conferring there
with United States and New United Nations military officers and staff
about prosecuting the war with the ORE to its completion.Even more
shocking was the revelation that Vice President Tricia Brown was
instrumental in the bombing as an Optimum operative!Although the
United States government did not immediately collapse many consider
that day the death of the old United States.The later revelation of a
broad Optimum presence and sympathies in the US government and
society
drastically altered the American nation.The United States along with
the New UN became the driving force for a United Earth
government(which finally arrived in 2113 and was completed by with
the
membership of Australia in 2150-that nation held out all those years
in part due to long memories from its tragic role in the Eugenics
Wars
and World War III).Tricia Brown was captured,tried and executed at
the
International Military Tribunal trials in San Francisco CA in
2082-2083 along with 44 other major Optimum leaders including Colonel
Green.


Joshua Collins


Excerpt from a Brief Earth History-copyright 2152[/quote]

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

How do we know there was post-atomic horror in East Asia?

AFAIK, it was over the entire Earth. The (few) times that phrase was mentioned in TNG, that's the implication. The effects of nuclear war caused a nuclear winter - which is, IMHO, obviously intended to cover the whole planet (I don't see how it couldn't).

 

[3D Master]

I started thinking after reading Niven's first Kzinti story, "The Warriors," which has a very brief explanation of how the Earth in his universe acheived world peace for 300 years. Over in the Trek Lit board, there's another discussion going on about WWIII, which seemed to be the immediate precursor to the Earth uniting in the Trek timeline. But I don't think there's ever been much discussion about exactly what caused such a drastic, overnight change. It's almost like everybody woke up one morning and decided to stop being jerks.
The explanation in "The Warriors" had something to do with improvements in psychology, population control, and increasing food production. The Vulcans did it by controlling their emotions. Other sci-fi authors have various theories like controlling religion or other things that cause people to fight each other.
How do you think that the Earth in Star Trek became united?

WWIII wiped out all the governments, the manipulators, the charlatans, traitors and others hungry for power and another 3 billion + people. Then we went FTL and met the Vulcans. And the remaining humans looked around each other and realized: "Fuck, we almost blew ourselves away. We wouldn't have been able to explore the solar system and the universe, we wouldn't have met an another species and made friends with them, and how much are our differences anyway compared to that? We really gotta quit this shit."

And with non of the governments and manipulators around, it could finally come to fruition.

 

[T'Cal]

I think it all begins on 01/20/09 when President John McCain takes office!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think it all begins on 01/20/09 when President John McCain takes office!

Thats settles it. Star Trek is an alternate reality.

 

[Sci]

I think it all begins on 01/20/09 when President Barack Obama takes office!

I fixed it for you.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

WWIII wiped out all the governments, the manipulators, the charlatans, traitors and others hungry for power and another 3 billion + people. Then we went FTL and met the Vulcans. And the remaining humans looked around each other and realized: "Fuck, we almost blew ourselves away. We wouldn't have been able to explore the solar system and the universe, we wouldn't have met an another species and made friends with them, and how much are our differences anyway compared to that? We really gotta quit this shit."

And with non of the governments and manipulators around, it could finally come to fruition.

Not all of the governments were destroyed. There were a few left (such as the USA, which still exists in Trek's future). Riker said that after the war, there were "very few governments left", he didn't say "none".

And there were 600 million casualties, not 3 billion.

 

[3D Master]

WWIII wiped out all the governments, the manipulators, the charlatans, traitors and others hungry for power and another 3 billion + people. Then we went FTL and met the Vulcans. And the remaining humans looked around each other and realized: "Fuck, we almost blew ourselves away. We wouldn't have been able to explore the solar system and the universe, we wouldn't have met an another species and made friends with them, and how much are our differences anyway compared to that? We really gotta quit this shit."

And with non of the governments and manipulators around, it could finally come to fruition.

Not all of the governments were destroyed. There were a few left (such as the USA, which still exists in Trek's future). Riker said that after the war, there were "very few governments left", he didn't say "none".

The USA was one of those governments that was NOT left. If it had been, there wouldn't be a benevolent united Earth, that's for sure. The USA or any other future government isn't something that survived WWIII, it was something that was rebuilt after WWIII.

And there were 600 million casualties, not 3 billion.

He's naming a figure that's pure WWIII, while I'm going all over, also the destruction and death occurring after WWIII as a cause of it. 600 million is far too tiny number for Earth to fall to what we saw in Q's courtroom.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The USA was one of those governments that was NOT left.

Incorrect. "The Royale" (TNG) establishes that the USA had 52 stars on its flag between 2033 and 2079. World War III happened in 2053. If the war had destroyed the USA, there's no way it could have been rebuilt in so short a time.

And several episodes of Enterprise (particularly the Section 31 ones) showed computer readout screens which indicate USA addresses.

 

[3D Master]

The USA was one of those governments that was NOT left.

Incorrect. "The Royale" (TNG) establishes that the USA had 52 stars on its flag between 2033 and 2079. World War III happened in 2053. If the war had destroyed the USA, there's no way it could have been rebuilt in so short a time.

The flag and how many stars it has, doesn't matter. The flag would simply get reused, you don't need a different flag. And First Contact itself shows us, the USA is crushed. Seriously, if the USA was intact, Zephram Cochrane a. wouldn't need to use such a pile of junk as his base, b. wouldn't need, and probably wouldn't be allowed to do what he did privately, he'd have government backing, and c. wouldn't be allowed to use an old nuclear launch facility.

Zephram's village is pretty much the way things are all across what is now the USA, along with Q's courtroom. In fact, that would be the way it was around the entire western world, and many other countries as well.

And several episodes of Enterprise (particularly the Section 31 ones) showed computer readout screens which indicate USA addresses.

Along with every other country on the ffing planet, even if we didn't get to see it on screen. It's a century later already.

 

[NoImpulseEngine]

The NAU superhighway united Earth

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And First Contact itself shows us, the USA is crushed.

It showed us very little, actually. A small patch of land in Montana, that's about it. Going by what we saw in that film alone, we can't make very many conclusions.

Seriously, if the USA was intact, Zephram Cochrane a. wouldn't need to use such a pile of junk as his base, b. wouldn't need, and probably wouldn't be allowed to do what he did privately, he'd have government backing, and c. wouldn't be allowed to use an old nuclear launch facility.

That's another thing we don't know: Where Cochrane got his funding. We have absolutely no idea. We know he got it from somewhere, 'cos he said his motivation *was* money. It could have been government grants, could have been private donors, could have been family money. We just don't know.

Zephram's village is pretty much the way things are all across what is now the USA, along with Q's courtroom. In fact, that would be the way it was around the entire western world, and many other countries as well.

We can't make that assumption. We did not *see* any of the rest of the USA in that film. We don't even know where the courtroom scene takes place. Although, going by the commentary track (if you accept such things), we learn there that it's China, and in fact all references to the ECON in the film were originally supposed to be China. The courtroom did have some Chinese influences, that much we did see.

 

[3D Master]

And First Contact itself shows us, the USA is crushed.

It showed us very little, actually. A small patch of land in Montana, that's about it. Going by what we saw in that film alone, we can't make very many conclusions.

The USA and the rest of the world was in a nuclear holocaust. You think the place is just nice and dandy?

That's another thing we don't know: Where Cochrane got his funding. We have absolutely no idea. We know he got it from somewhere, 'cos he said his motivation *was* money. It could have been government grants, could have been private donors, could have been family money. We just don't know.

Private backers, OBVIOUSLY. Go look around how well the USA government and it's space arm rewards anything that uses multiple dimensions (aka subspace), artificial gravity, and anything hinting at exotic capabilities like going FTL. They are ignored if not outright shut down, and actively worked to be ridiculed. If the USA-government is still around, the only way Zephram Cochrane gets to build anything that might give us a working FTL-engine, would be someplace else in the world.

The only ones who would be willing to back Cochrane; private people who want to get off of the hell hole that Earth became.

Zephram's village is pretty much the way things are all across what is now the USA, along with Q's courtroom. In fact, that would be the way it was around the entire western world, and many other countries as well.

We can't make that assumption. We did not *see* any of the rest of the USA in that film. We don't even know where the courtroom scene takes place. Although, going by the commentary track (if you accept such things), we learn there that it's China, and in fact all references to the ECON in the film were originally supposed to be China. The courtroom did have some Chinese influences, that much we did see.

And going by the episode, being that HUMANITY as a whole was on trial, all the accusation also of the time, like abolishing UN, removing lawyers and such things, was all about the ENTIRETY (or at least the large majority) of humanity. Hence, this wasn't some isolated case in previous communist China. Q's courtroom was pretty much how the entire world was for a long time.

 

[Ethros]

Just to be anal for the record, it's spelt "Zefram" Cochrane

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And First Contact itself shows us, the USA is crushed.

It showed us very little, actually. A small patch of land in Montana, that's about it. Going by what we saw in that film alone, we can't make very many conclusions.

The USA and the rest of the world was in a nuclear holocaust. You think the place is just nice and dandy?

I didn't say that. I said *we don't know* what the rest of the country, or the world, is like, just from that one film.

Besides, the fact that Earth was able to recover from WW III at all, suggests that it wasn't a full-out holocaust; that would likely have completely wiped out all life on Earth. Or at the very least, recovery would take much longer (on Vulcan, for example, it took a thousand years for them to rebuild their world after their last nuke war).

 

[3D Master]

It showed us very little, actually. A small patch of land in Montana, that's about it. Going by what we saw in that film alone, we can't make very many conclusions.

The USA and the rest of the world was in a nuclear holocaust. You think the place is just nice and dandy?

I didn't say that. I said *we don't know* what the rest of the country, or the world, is like, just from that one film.

I'm not going by just one film. I'm going by everything we know of the era from every Star Trek production.

Besides, the fact that Earth was able to recover from WW III at all, suggests that it wasn't a full-out holocaust; that would likely have completely wiped out all life on Earth.

Bullshit. We don't even have a tenth of the destructive power required to wipe out all life on Earth, hell, not even a hundreth and even less. We don't even have enough destructive power to wipe out all of humanity. Contrary to popular believe and sensationalist press, we do not have that much firepower. Nuclear weapons are a lot less destructive than people think they do.

Or at the very least, recovery would take much longer

Nope. You'll be surprised how quickly things can be built, or rebuilt, especially if you have access to resources off planet.

(on Vulcan, for example, it took a thousand years for them to rebuild their world after their last nuke war).

Uh, no it didn't.

 

[Timo]

Just to be anal for the record, it's spelt "Zefram" Cochrane

To be sure, we only ever see it spelled out off screen, not on screen - save for end credits, which aren't part of the Trek universe as such. And different end credits give different spellings: ST:FC had it as "Zefram Cochran".

For all we know, the accepted spelling in 24th century Star Trek English is Sefraim Cockren.

I'm not going by just one film. I'm going by everything we know of the era from every Star Trek production.

Save for a few well-known exceptions.

We don't even have a tenth of the destructive power required to wipe out all life on Earth, hell, not even a hundreth and even less.

How is that related to anything? The question was whether the Trek folks in the fictional 2050s would have gone to an all-out wipe-off-life campaign or something more limited. And if they went for all-out, we can be pretty sure they would have managed to erase every single last cocroach and bacterium, considering they have access to far more refined and powerful technologies than we do. Not to mention more driven and single-minded villains.

Unleashing of all of today's nuclear arsenal would be unlikely to wipe out life or anything. Given a few indirect effects, it could easily result in the quoted death toll of 600 million, though - and it wouldn't be impossible to postulate that a less restrained attack by an arsenal somewhat bigger than today would have led to even higher human casualties.

You'll be surprised how quickly things can be built, or rebuilt, especially if you have access to resources off planet.

In this respect, one wonders what resources would be coming from off planet. In terms of sheer tonnage, surviving Earth 2050s spacecraft probably couldn't assist worth zip, and the resources of the Moon or the asteroids would be worthless. And how many ships would the Vulcans offer for hauling humanoiditarian aid? Starships aren't that big - the known ones would probably haul less freight than the average UN-chartered relief ship today.

Timo Saloniemi