Stupid reviews, incorrect info, dumb rumors over the years...
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Canon includes the Animated Series. According to both The Making of Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry and the Animated Series episode "The Counter-Clock Incident", the first Enterprise Captain is ROBERT APRIL. There is NO mention of anybody named Jonathan Archer, and no mention of any character who could be Jonathan Archer.
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For example... VULCAN terrorists? ....
I don't even like the characterization they did of Zefram Cochrane in First Contact. It certainly doesn't mesh with what we learned about Cochrane in the TOS series "Metamorphosis" when Kirk found Cochrane and the Companion. Yet Enterprise favors the movie version of Cochrane over the TOS version..
uh archer's enterprise was prefederation.
april was the first captain of the ncc 1701.
there was a vulcan terrorist in tng and valeris could be classified as either a terrorist or a traitor depending on point of view.
and you didnt pay too much attention to metamorphis which gives a reason for the differences in apperance.
the companion not only healed cochrane but she made him young again.
Enterprise didn't need to canonize parts of The Animated Series, as the animated shows were already canon.
The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
Well, of course. But the leak obviously jumped to conclusions. (He probably saw something being built and made a guess based on the time travel rumors). This was long before there was official mention of whales and (possibly) dolphins, which I think was eventually broken by Starlog, IIRC.
A memo to the tie-in licensees - from Roddenberry's ST Office at Paramount - in 1989, effectively removed TAS (and novelizations, and unused scenes from scripts) from the ST canon when it specified that canonical ST consisted of live action ST produced by Desilu/Paramount and shown onscreen.
Since GR died in 1991, though, no one has reinforced that memo, but neither has it been officially retracted.
Picard has some hair too. And there are bald male Deltans in ST: TMP, ST IV and ST VI.But it's also obvious to me that the writer wasn't that familiar with Deltans, either -- it's only Deltan women who are bald -- Deltan males do have hair!
I explore the matter of hairy Deltans in my article at:
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/2006/11/truth-about-efrosians-pard_116269248336471480.html
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There was a rumour that the last episode of TNG s6 was going to involve the E-D being recalled to earth to be decommissioned and renamed as the 'Queen mary', along the way there was to be a battle, inh which the stardrive is destroyed, and the saucer was to crash land on a planet a la GEN.
anyone else remember this/add anything too it?
I'd love to hear opinions or speculation on this,
kind regards,
CDP
anyone else remember this/add anything too it?
I'd love to hear opinions or speculation on this,
kind regards,
CDP
The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
Huh, what does that have to do with anything? It's a different actor. Deal with it.
Enterprise didn't need to canonize parts of The Animated Series, as the animated shows were already canon.
The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
well he wasnt exactly short
the animated series as a whole still are not considered canon and expect for a couple of small things in ds9 have been pretty much ignored until enterprise came along and referenced it more then any of the other series.
Are you kidding me? You're trying to convince us that they screwed up with Cochrane, and the best that you can come up with is that the new actor was "too tall"?The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
Since Cromwell's performance as Cochrane was so much better and the character so much more interesting in "First Contact" than in that mediocre TOS episode, I'm just fine with throwing "Metamorphosis" into the dustbin. 
The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
OMG, the Saavik from TSFS and TVH also looked (and behaved) entirely different than the Saavik from TWOK!!! And there was not even a Companion to explain it!!!!!!
It comes down to the difference in quality. Cromwell is much more charismatic, and the character much better written, in First Contact, so I don't mind the recasting. However, Robin Curtis was not, and the character was not, so I do in TSFS.The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
OMG, the Saavik from TSFS and TVH also looked (and behaved) entirely different than the Saavik from TWOK!!! And there was not even a Companion to explain it!!!!!!
Kirk: Did you change your face, Lieutenant?
Saavik II: It's still regulation, Admiral.
My take is that Saavik was shot in the face between the movies and Bones had to do a reconstruction through plastic surgery (you know, just like in the original "Knight Rider" pilot). But with Spock's Katra in his head, the good doctor was already somewhat distracted and hence he couldn't do any better than this. Saavik II should better be glad that she hadn't looked like a pale and smirking Jack Nicholson afterwards...
No, that's not all I can "come up with." But it remains my personal opinion that yes, they messed up Cochrane's character.Are you kidding me? You're trying to convince us that they screwed up with Cochrane, and the best that you can come up with is that the new actor was "too tall"?The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
Kirstey Alley was a terrific Saavik. Robin Curtiss was crap. Looks have far less to do with it than interpretation. Obviously Curtiss never read the part about Saavik being HALF-ROMULAN. Saavik was supposed to have emotions -- emotions expressed by her Romulan influence, but that her Vulcan mentors had taught her to try to suppress.The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
OMG, the Saavik from TSFS and TVH also looked (and behaved) entirely different than the Saavik from TWOK!!! And there was not even a Companion to explain it!!!!!!
Robin Curtiss played the role like a piece of animated cardboard.
She was told by Director Nimoy NOT to watch ST II, not to be influenced by Vonda McIntyre's take on Saavik in the ST II novelization, and to play all her lines "Colder, say it colder".
Nimoy deliberately chose to deviate around the concept that Saavik was half Romulan. Since the one line in ST II that mentioned her hybrid heritage was dropped anyway, it wasn't a problem to rethink the character as a full Vulcan.
You can't blame Curtis for the way she was directed. Unless you also hated her Romulan/Vulcan portrayal in TNG's "Gambit"?
No, that's not all I can "come up with." But it remains my personal opinion that yes, they messed up Cochrane's character.Are you kidding me? You're trying to convince us that they screwed up with Cochrane, and the best that you can come up with is that the new actor was "too tall"?The Companion obviously thought Cochrane was too tall, so she shortened him, as well.
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Calling Cochrane, as seen in "Metamorphosis",a character is a bit of a stretch. Hydrogen is more complex and a tortilla has more depth.
