Is the Star Trek Remastered that much better than the standard DVD's?

[Ovation]

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I doubt it will happen anytime soon. Someday, the cost of such a reworking would be negligible and it might be contemplated. But I suspect it will remain on the backburner. TOS is popular enough to warrant doing (and it doesn't require too much effort) and Enterprise would take almost no effort at all (despite its status as the least popular show--little effort and cost would be too tempting for the studio to pass up, I think). Even TMP: The Director's Cut would need more reworking than any other title in the film series as the new effects are not HD ready.

 

[pookha]

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i want the remasterd but will wait for them to come down in price.
to me the return of the really rich colors i remember when the series was first broadcast makes them worth it though i do like some of the remastered effects even if it makes me a heretic.

though i really wish they would redo balance of terror in some future edition i did like the remastered doomsday machine and tomorrow is yesterday.

 

[Doug Otte]

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i want the remasterd but will wait for them to come down in price.
to me the return of the really rich colors i remember when the series was first broadcast makes them worth it though i do like some of the remastered effects even if it makes me a heretic.

though i really wish they would redo balance of terror in some future edition i did like the remastered doomsday machine and tomorrow is yesterday.

You can get the remastered Season 1 HD-DVD for $50 CDN from Amazon.ca.

Doug

Edit: Oops! I should have checked before posting. It's back up to $155.99 CDN now. Sorry.

 

[Oso Blanco]

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And I'll wait until they release HD-Sets of TOS WITHOUT the new FX. Until then, I'm perfectly happy with my standard box sets.

Then you will wait....forever.

Then I'll stick to my standard box sets forever. I refuse to watch - let alone buy - that so called "improved" TOS!

 

[Shieldsdown]

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And I'll wait until they release HD-Sets of TOS WITHOUT the new FX. Until then, I'm perfectly happy with my standard box sets.

Then you will wait....forever.

Then I'll stick to my standard box sets forever. I refuse to watch - let alone buy - that so called "improved" TOS!

Could not agree more. I thoroughly enjoy a TOS fix now and then by looking at an episode of the original box set. TOS is a product of it's era, and I enjoy it as such. I have zilch interest in anything that changes the original experience, particularly if it cuts out any lines.

Regards

 

[Michael]

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Then you will wait....forever.

Then I'll stick to my standard box sets forever. I refuse to watch - let alone buy - that so called "improved" TOS!

Could not agree more. I thoroughly enjoy a TOS fix now and then by looking at an episode of the original box set. TOS is a product of it's era, and I enjoy it as such. I have zilch interest in anything that changes the original experience, particularly if it cuts out any lines.

Regards

Make that three of us.

 

[guardian]

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NO lines are cut from the remastered episode sets. None.

In the sydicated tv airings of course--whole sequences are.

In the box sets--none.

I don't know if someone said or implied Kor's "It would have been glorious" line was cut--but it isn't. I watched the remastered episode two nights ago--it's there.

Thank goodness both versions now are available and everyone can make their choice. I hope people who prefer the standard version won't wait till they are too scarce.

If they do sell out completely I'm sure they'd someday repress the original versions--it wouldn't cost much.

 

[Ovation]

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NO lines are cut from the remastered episode sets. None.

In the sydicated tv airings of course--whole sequences are.

In the box sets--none.

I don't know if someone said or implied Kor's "It would have been glorious" line was cut--but it isn't. I watched the remastered episode two nights ago--it's there.

Thank goodness both versions now are available and everyone can make their choice. I hope people who prefer the standard version won't wait till they are too scarce.

If they do sell out completely I'm sure they'd someday repress the original versions--it wouldn't cost much.

True enough. On my SD TVs, the originals look fine. On my 64 inch screen with HD projector, though, the HD versions are the only way to go. As I noted above, on sets below 50 inches (certainly 40 and below), the SD is probably fine. But on 50 and up, the limitations of the SD versions become problematic. So I'm glad to have HD versions available to me. The essentials of the stories remain unchanged (there is nothing akin to "Greedo shoots first" in the remastered versions) so I'm not all that bothered by the new effects.

 

[Borjis]

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on sets below 50 inches (certainly 40 and below), the SD is probably fine. But on 50 and up, the limitations of the SD versions become problematic. So I'm glad to have HD versions available to me. The essentials of the stories remain unchanged (there is nothing akin to "Greedo shoots first" in the remastered versions) so I'm not all that bothered by the new effects.

I have watched SD remastered on a digital channel and it is WAY cleaner and more colorful than my DVD (with excellent upscaling enabled) The DVD's are also VERY grainy by comparison. I like grain but the remastered is like a new experience (gold tunics closer to green...etc)

All 3 season on Blu will be a great day!

 

[Oso Blanco]

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The essentials of the stories remain unchanged (there is nothing akin to "Greedo shoots first" in the remastered versions) so I'm not all that bothered by the new effects.

Replacing a Klingon/Romulan Battle Cruiser with with a Romulan Bird Of Prey seems pretty essential to me. And I'm sure there is more that I just don't know of, because I've never watched any of the redone episodes.

 

[erastus25]

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The essentials of the stories remain unchanged (there is nothing akin to "Greedo shoots first" in the remastered versions) so I'm not all that bothered by the new effects.

Replacing a Klingon/Romulan Battle Cruiser with with a Romulan Bird Of Prey seems pretty essential to me. And I'm sure there is more that I just don't know of, because I've never watched any of the redone episodes.

How was that essential? A line of dialogue explains it. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was cool, but it wasn't essential.

 

[Ovation]

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The colours are far more accurate on the HD (presumably the SD remastered as well) and that makes a significant difference, IMO. The same is true of movies. I've compared SD and HD versions (on HD DVD) of several movies and while some are radically better (new masters vs old masters), even those (mostly recent) movies where the master is the same, which makes the SD look quite good, the HD has far better colour balance (the colour space for HD is simply greater than for SD) and that makes a big difference, on any size display. HD is not ONLY about greater resolution (the benefits of which vary depending on screen size and viewing distance) but also about better colours--and that is evident on any size display.

 

[Ovation]

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The essentials of the stories remain unchanged (there is nothing akin to "Greedo shoots first" in the remastered versions) so I'm not all that bothered by the new effects.

Replacing a Klingon/Romulan Battle Cruiser with with a Romulan Bird Of Prey seems pretty essential to me. And I'm sure there is more that I just don't know of, because I've never watched any of the redone episodes.

I haven't seen that (I've only watched a few of my HD DVDs and I'm not certain this is from the first season--I'm betting you're referring to the Enterprise Incident and I've not seen any remasters on TV).

In any event, the look of a ship is not "essential". What I consider essential is changing an outcome (hence the "Greedo" comment). If the effects changes made it so the Enterprise destroys the Romulan ship in Balance of Terror (rather than their self-destruct), THAT would be a change to something "essential". Or if, in Charlie X, Charlie disintegrated Janice Rand and made it impossible for her to be returned. And so on.

I understand wanting to stay with the originals. But I don't think the changes made in the remasters alter anything vital to the stories (unlike changes made to various Star Wars films).

 

[Outpost4]

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The essentials of the stories remain unchanged (there is nothing akin to "Greedo shoots first" in the remastered versions) so I'm not all that bothered by the new effects.

Replacing a Klingon/Romulan Battle Cruiser with with a Romulan Bird Of Prey seems pretty essential to me. And I'm sure there is more that I just don't know of, because I've never watched any of the redone episodes.

Huh? The fact that before there were three Battle Cruisers on screen, and with the remastered verson there is now one Battle Cruiser and two Warbirds is an essential change? Oh, come on. There are great reasons for dismissing remastered Star Trek but this isn't one of them.

I liked the change myself. Let's see that the Romulans have more than one class of ship. What a concept!

Plus, somewhere, somehow, it just makes it more fun. I know. We have to be purists here, but deep down inside of me, I'm sorry to admit, I think Star Trek is fun.

 

[EEE]

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i want the remasterd but will wait for them to come down in price.
to me the return of the really rich colors i remember when the series was first broadcast makes them worth it though i do like some of the remastered effects even if it makes me a heretic.

though i really wish they would redo balance of terror in some future edition i did like the remastered doomsday machine and tomorrow is yesterday.

Interestingly enough, I was totally against reimagining even the effects of Classic Star Trek (to the point I ran out and bought the original seasons on DVD while I could get the unadulterated versions). But I tried a few episodes and I had to admit I enjoyed the blue sky effects of Tomorrow Is Yesterday enough to give the reimagined episodes another shot (although the rocking of the Enterprise is a bit tedious). I was learning to live with them until The Doomsday Machine when the effects gave a completely different feel to one scene ("she was attacked!" ...as close as we are now Captain, that observation now registers far too high on the "Duh Scale" to allow you to continue as Captain). Now I'm back to give me what I loved.

Of course, I'm finding I'm in a minority as far as the fact that I really liked the original effects. Star Trek and Apollo 11 taught me that space IS a grainy place to film! That's obviously the way space is and should be shown! *grin*

i want the remasterd but will wait for them to come down in price. to me the return of the really rich colors i remember when the series was first broadcast makes them worth it.

As for the "rich" colors... when originally broadcast, Captain Kirk was almost as green as his wrap around tunic, so anything approaching flesh tones IS remastering in my book!

though i do like some of the remastered effects even if it makes me a heretic.

Yes (it does). You're lucky I don't have my stake and matches handy is all I can add to that! *grin*

 

[pookha]

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uh
if kirk looked like that then that was the tv.

 

[Oso Blanco]

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Can I ask an off topic question please? Why is everyone and everything suddenly wearing a sombrero in their avatars? Did I miss something?

 

[FalTorPan]

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i want the remasterd but will wait for them to come down in price.
to me the return of the really rich colors i remember when the series was first broadcast makes them worth it though i do like some of the remastered effects even if it makes me a heretic.

though i really wish they would redo balance of terror in some future edition i did like the remastered doomsday machine and tomorrow is yesterday.

The funny thing about Star Trek is that its "space shots" are so stylized that the remastered visual effects, though cool, are just a different flavor of unrealism.

 

[Michael]

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I think Star Trek is fun.

I had no idea!

Can I ask an off topic question please? Why is everyone and everything suddenly wearing a sombrero in their avatars? Did I miss something?

Well, obviously. It was an idea born in this thread. But maybe you'll find the TrekMovie.com article here more helpful.

 

[Outpost4]

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I was learning to live with them until The Doomsday Machine when the effects gave a completely different feel to one scene ("she was attacked!" ...as close as we are now Captain, that observation now registers far too high on the "Duh Scale" to allow you to continue as Captain). Now I'm back to give me what I loved.

EEE. I agree with you that the remastering of The Doomsday Machine was iffy at the best. The redone Constellation was excellent, and getting the scale of the Enterprise-shuttlecraft-planet killer right in relationship to each other was something that needed to be done, but I thought the planet killer itself looked terrible and the strafing shots of its surface by the Enterprise were cartoonish. This episode was a missed opportunity in my book.

When done well (The Corbomite Manuever), the remastering is a joy to watch. When done poorly (the Companion in Metamorphosis), it, too drives me back to the originals.