Why not the Next Generation for STXI?

[Lilith]

What went wrong with the TNG movies was when they let the actors like Stewart and Spiner dictate screenplay ideas and actions. I know it's in their contracts, but the first draft of Insurrection sounded very cool, and would have made a great sequel, but Stewart wanted to play light comedy.

QFT - though I never read the first draft I think movies/series etc often take a nose dive when actors start making scriptual demands (though admittedly we probably wouldn't hear about those demands if they turned out to benefit the revenue) or when one or two characters get all the attention and cool lines/story twists at the expense of other characters in shows that are originally ensamble shows. It's pretty much the reason why I'm glad they're not going to make another TNG movie - I've seen enough of Data thankyouverymuch.

I hope this movie doesn't make the same mistake

 

[Sharr Khan]

I've seen enough of Data thankyouverymuch.

I hope this movie doesn't make the same mistake

No chance of that, no Data & Picard to eat up screen time
Though I have a sense it'll be very core: Kirk, Spock, McCoy - balanced perhaps in Spock's favor. That's to be expected I think by this point with Nomoy's involvement and all.

Sharr

 

[Tralah]

Though I have a sense it'll be very core: Kirk, Spock, McCoy - balanced perhaps in Spock's favor.

Sounds perfect to me! The Spock centric episodes and movie parts have always been my favorite, but of course the chemistry between the Big Three is always important.

 

[Beyerstein]

Since it seems Star Trek XI is likely to begin with Spock in a post-NEM setting before he goes back. Maybe when he goes in his time ship he can fly past the ENT-E or something. not that we'd see any TNG cast memebers, but a quick cameo of the ship, that might be cool

 

[Kryton]

Wait...you're saying Admiral Picard won't be on the screen giving orders to Kirk?!?

 

[Sector 7]

They'll be a next generation movie again someday.

I'm just not sure when.

The term "when hell freezes over" comes to mind. Nemesis essentially killed that franchise.

 

[loldrey]

I wouldn't want a TNG movie without Data anyways.

 

[Jon1701]

They'll be a next generation movie again someday.

I'm just not sure when.

The term "when hell freezes over" comes to mind. Nemesis essentially killed that franchise.

Not with those actors. I don't think we'll see them in on the big screen playing Picard, data etc. I do think we will see the characters again at some point down the line.

Waaaay down the line.

 

[T'Cal]

They'll be a next generation movie again someday.

I'm just not sure when.

The term "when hell freezes over" comes to mind. Nemesis essentially killed that franchise.

Not with those actors. I don't think we'll see them in on the big screen playing Picard, data etc. I do think we will see the characters again at some point down the line.

Waaaay down the line.

Think cable TV miniseries...

 

[Space Cowboy]

We probably won't see another TNG movie before Duke Nukem Forever comes out I suppose.

 

[the Sisko]

One reason is canon. The 24th century has had 500+ episodes and 4 movies which covered 15 years of time. There's alot that a TNG movie has to keep consistent with. There's also a lot of stories told as the 23rd century is the least produced series including movies despite it's relative success. Nemesis wasn't just bad performing... it was bad performing among underperforming movies. If you inflation adjust the 10 movies, First Contact is the only TNG movie to out perform ST5. Even without that adjustment, the price of making movies has increased from 16 for ST2 to 35 million in the ST7 days to 60 with ST10 and 100+ in ST11. That cost makes the studios take less chances because they need a 200 million performance just to break even. Nostagla sells and ST needs to play that card of a remake rather than continuing the story. Look at Batman Begins. That was Batman 5 in the past 20 years but by ignoring the first 4 movies, it broke the diminishing returns of sequels. James Bond does this every so often with a new Bond. TNG may be back... but it would likely be an older James McAvoy playing Picard.

 

[Mr. Fergy]

Nemesis.

+ Insurrection.

Agreed. "Nuff said.

BTW; Wait 20 years and TNG will be "Retro" with all new actors.

 

[Mr J]

If TNG was revived in any way I personally think that it would be on television, simply because of the way ST seems to be divided these days between Paramount Pictures and CBS. If this movie is successful, CBS might at some point decide to cash in on the movie side of things and doing something with TNG would be a good way of doing that without treading on the toes of the movie franchise. Just a theory of mine, but if they did do that TNG would certainly be re-done to a similiar extent as TOS is, meaning new actors, sets, look, etc.

The current form of TNG would never come back. It is just as unmarketable these days as DS9, VOY and ENT after the lacklustre performance of the last few movies.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The TNG revival might well take some form other than a live-action film. CG animation, in a somewhat more modern and cartoonish style than is generally suggested by Trek fans - who tend to go along the lines of "let's recreate the actors and sets as they originally appeared, using CG" - is one possible direction, either on the big screen or television.

Once the Abrams movie frees "Star Trek" from the "everything has to fit snugly into the one established style and framework of 'Old Trek'" bind a lot of things may become possible.

 

[Luke Lightsaber]

No. I hope they don't do animation. Everything these days is that crap anime style junk. I'd hate to see Star Trek in that type of format.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

No. I hope they don't do animation. Everything these days is that crap anime style junk. I'd hate to see Star Trek in that type of format.

If this movie succeeds we'll probably see "Star Trek" in all kinds of formats that we're unaccustomed to.

The one "format" that you can be pretty sure you'll never see again is something that fits in with the visual and storytelling style of Trek in the forty years prior to the cancellation of "Star Trek: Enterprise."

 

[Sector 7]

The TNG revival might well take some form other than a live-action film. CG animation, in a somewhat more modern and cartoonish style than is generally suggested by Trek fans - who tend to go along the lines of "let's recreate the actors and sets as they originally appeared, using CG" - is one possible direction, either on the big screen or television.

Once the Abrams movie frees "Star Trek" from the "everything has to fit snugly into the one established style and framework of 'Old Trek'" bind a lot of things may become possible.

Good point. It is what makes me look forward to ST:XI. The idea that it is going in new directions.

No. I hope they don't do animation. Everything these days is that crap anime style junk. I'd hate to see Star Trek in that type of format.

If this movie succeeds we'll probably see "Star Trek" in all kinds of formats that we're unaccustomed to.

The one "format" that you can be pretty sure you'll never see again is something that fits in with the visual and storytelling style of Trek in the forty years prior to the cancellation of "Star Trek: Enterprise."

I'm thinking CG as in computer animation (re: Incredibles, etc.) rather than anime (re: Ani-Mondays on Sci-Fi). That could be very successful. I wouldn't watch an anime version either.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yes, but some folks who don't watch "Star Trek" now might.

 

[Sector 7]

Yes, but some folks who don't watch "Star Trek" now might.

I think anime is for a much smaller audience than CG. CG requires a somewhat larger budget so it aims for a larger audience share.
When was the last anime movie on the big screen? While even Kung Fu Panda (yuk!) is doing well world-wide.

 

[T'Cal]

An animated series based on TNG/DS9/VOY's era would get my attention. Animation opens up Trek to extremely strange worlds and aliens, It also makes it very easy to go back and forth in time or show characters younger or older in flashbacks or flashforwards. Batman: The Animated Series and Gargoyles proved that animated series can be written for kids, teens, and adults all at the same time. Think of the toys that could be produced for the kids and the collectables for the adults!