Just asking, as WNMHGB clearly has a different personell at cases - different Doctor, no Sulu or Chekov at the helm, Gary Mitchell present and so forth.
Well?
Well?
Continuity q: Will this be set post-"Where No Man Has Gone Before"
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It's set all over the place.
If, as some have speculated, the main body of the story takes place around Kirk's Academy years, then that actually weighs against someone like Gary Mitchell showing up, since he was a cadet later on when Kirk was an instructor at the Academy. We don't know much of anything really, but my personal "gut feeling" is that the Academy stuff would be prior to WNMHGB in the timeline, since Kirk was already in command of the Enterprise by then. Honestly I expect that episode to be pretty much ignored, since most of the broader audience that they are hoping to lure in for this film would have no idea who the hell Gary Mitchell or any of those other one-off characters from WNMHGB are.
My understanding is that the film will be set in several different time periods, including Spock's and Kirk's childhoods, as well as the Academy, then later on the Enterprise.
Knowing this, it is probably safe to say that it will be a prequel to the series in many ways, but may jump to a time after Where No Man Has Gone Before, but before the series in general (McCoy is in this, and Sulu is likely to be Helmsman, and Chekov is present).
We should be prepared for the possibility that the movie may break event canon in subtle ways for story, and we know that some design canon is likely to be broken or bent.
Knowing this, it is probably safe to say that it will be a prequel to the series in many ways, but may jump to a time after Where No Man Has Gone Before, but before the series in general (McCoy is in this, and Sulu is likely to be Helmsman, and Chekov is present).
We should be prepared for the possibility that the movie may break event canon in subtle ways for story, and we know that some design canon is likely to be broken or bent.
If it does, someone must be burned at the stake for this.
Or given a REALLY nasty wet-willy.
I wonder if Shakespeare expected his plays to always be performed in Elizabethan costumes? And with no actor ever recast?
And never to be translated from the original Klingon.
For you it's the wet-willy, for sure. (Perhaps in one of your antennas.)
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By the way, Therin- I've never complained about the cast being changed. I've enjoyed the New Voyages fan films and am looking forward to Trek XI and its new Kirk, Spock, etc. It's the idea of changing the Enterprise when there's no need (see ST:ENT "In a Mirror..."). As for the bard, I'd hope that something taking place in Elizabethan times would have characters dressed accordingly. I've already commented on the idea of new actors taking over known roles.
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Many of Shakespeare's plays however don't get performed in period wear. Even sometimes they're performed in a very minimalist manner that is little set dressing and spare costuming. It isn't unheard of for them to be adapted and set in more modern times. I think this happened with a movie version of Henry V.
so lots of courtly finery isn't required to make Hamlet, Hamlet.
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Never said that you did. But it fitted with what I was saying, and plenty of other fans have complained.
But... ENT's "Mirror, Mirror" prequel was for TV, not the big screen. Changing the starship models (and costumes, and sets) for a feature film is the same argument for changing the TV model for ST:TMP.
And what fun is there for modern SPFX people if absolutely everything has to be so slavish to what once went to air? A movie being made in 2008 must use designs from 1966, and still when over the youth of today?
But these plays are often presented very successfully in costumes from other periods. I've seen excellent stage versions of Shakespearean plays were everyone was dressed in 70s garb. Another where everyone was dressed as Mafia hitmen.
Have you seen the movie version of Baz Luhrmann's "Romeo + Juliet"?
(Not to mention "The Tempest" as "Forbidden Planet", "Romeo and Juliet" as "West Side Story" and "Taming of the Shrew" presented as "Elaan of Troyius".)
McKellan's 1995 film of "Richard III," set in 20th century pre-war England.
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^^And more recently, Rupert Goold's MacBeth starring Patrick Stewart (for which Stewart received a Tony award nomination last month) is set in a 20th-century timeframe, albeit in an unspecified time and in an unspecified country.
I DO think, however, that the very end of this will take place post-WNMHGB.
^^And more recently, Rupert Goold's MacBeth starring Patrick Stewart (for which Stewart received a Tony award nomination last month) is set in a 20th-century timeframe, albeit in an unspecified time and in an unspecified country.
It may take place in multiple timeframes, but I believe the bulk of the story -- the main action -- (perhaps an hour+ of screentime) will take place in the time immediately prior to Kirk assuming command of the Enterprise, maybe months or weeks beforehand.
I DO think, however, that the very end of this will take place post-WNMHGB.
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He's also doing a version of Merchant of Venice (with Ian McKellen) but set in modern day Las Vegas.
IMHO, WNMHGB should be taken for what it is... a pilot for television which was re-booted to make TOS.
So why do so many hate an unseen version of Abrams' re-boot, yet love Roddenberry's re-boot of WNMHGB?
I love The Great Bird's re-boot much better than the original pilot. I will also love Abrams' re-boot as well.
And let us not forget Leonardo DiCaprio in the modern version of Romeo and Juliet. (Damn he's so cute!)
So why do so many hate an unseen version of Abrams' re-boot, yet love Roddenberry's re-boot of WNMHGB?
I love The Great Bird's re-boot much better than the original pilot. I will also love Abrams' re-boot as well.
And let us not forget Leonardo DiCaprio in the modern version of Romeo and Juliet. (Damn he's so cute!)
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^^And don't forget that WNMHGB was a re-boot of The Cage.
All that talk of The Cage being "13 years prior to TOS season one" was never the plan...The Cage was just a failed pilot that only a few TV executives ever saw (until the mid-1980s).
I'm sure Roddenberry originally intended WNMHGB to take place around the same future time as The Cage. However, when he realized he could use that existing film footage in The Menagerie to save money (instead of producing another episode with brand-new original footage), he decided to re-con The Cage as being 13 years prior to explain Spock's presence without the rest of the TOS crew.
^^And don't forget that WNMHGB was a re-boot of The Cage.
All that talk of The Cage being "13 years prior to TOS season one" was never the plan...The Cage was just a failed pilot that only a few TV executives ever saw (until the mid-1980s).
I'm sure Roddenberry originally intended WNMHGB to take place around the same future time as The Cage. However, when he realized he could use that existing film footage in The Menagerie to save money (instead of producing another episode with brand-new original footage), he decided to re-con The Cage as being 13 years prior to explain Spock's presence without the rest of the TOS crew.
I totally agree... Since WNMHGB is usually referenced, I chose that to respond. Many fans are so infatuated with the episodes, they don't realize how much money plays into the whole thing.
Having been involved with a series project, I know money makes the real wheels turn.
Having been involved with a series project, I know money makes the real wheels turn.
