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That article is a joke. DS9 is a million better than nuBSG. nuBSG is a vulgar, badly-made soap opera. The only "story arcs" on it are who is banging who from one week to the next.
DS9 is better because Moore actually had other great writers with him to keep the show on track and reign in bad ideas of his (Ie: turning the show into a badly-made soap opera like nuBSG) from dominating the show too much.
There's a good reason why DS9 lasted for 7 seasons and nuBSG only lasted for 4. It's because DS9 is a way better show.
DS9 is better because Moore actually had other great writers with him to keep the show on track and reign in bad ideas of his (Ie: turning the show into a badly-made soap opera like nuBSG) from dominating the show too much.
There's a good reason why DS9 lasted for 7 seasons and nuBSG only lasted for 4. It's because DS9 is a way better show.
I agree. DS9 is special. It didn't have to resort to: disease, anamoly, alien, couple of the week to make it shows.
Quite frankly, I can't stand BSG. Much like Voyager, ENT-its good to watch 1x and that's about it. I get something new every time I watch DS9.
Sci-fi's don't need to be abased by showing screwing every episode, it certainly gets old.
Quite frankly, I can't stand BSG. Much like Voyager, ENT-its good to watch 1x and that's about it. I get something new every time I watch DS9.
Sci-fi's don't need to be abased by showing screwing every episode, it certainly gets old.
Over at MacNN, we have a pretty meaty BSG thread which has become a BSG v DS9 v B5 thread over the past few pages.
Check it out.
Check it out.
Those are all just common elements of storytelling. You either do the arc or the episodic approach on TV (and DS9 differed from BSG in being mixed arc/episodic but BSG rarely does standalones). "Divided loyalties," "opposites attract relationships," the use of prophecy and religion to give your story added heft - all very common. You could just as easily revive the War Without End and list all the things DS9 and B5 have in common.
BSG never had that advantage. The name had long since been forgotten by everyone but a tiny, noisy fanbase.
And DS9 also was better at giving us characters to root for. The BSG soap opera doesn't bother me as much as all the tedious whining. Say what you like about Sisko, Odo, Kira et al, but they're not going to sending out invitations to a pity party anytime soon. I think BSG's tendency to annoy the audience is what sunk the ratings. DS9 had plenty of soap opera too, and it could be worse than anything BSG has thrown at us (remember the juvenile Worf-Ezri-Bashir love triangle? ugh).
Because DS9 had the Star Trek brand name.
BSG never had that advantage. The name had long since been forgotten by everyone but a tiny, noisy fanbase.And DS9 also was better at giving us characters to root for. The BSG soap opera doesn't bother me as much as all the tedious whining. Say what you like about Sisko, Odo, Kira et al, but they're not going to sending out invitations to a pity party anytime soon. I think BSG's tendency to annoy the audience is what sunk the ratings. DS9 had plenty of soap opera too, and it could be worse than anything BSG has thrown at us (remember the juvenile Worf-Ezri-Bashir love triangle? ugh).
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The hell? Apart from annoying couples, BSG has avoided this stuff. It doesn't do subspace anomalies, wormholes (), or the like. Also, BSG has only two races: humans and a human-created machine race. BSG has outright refused to use aliens.I personally prefer DS9, anyway. It had much more consistent writing, much less convoluted story arcs, and far more levity to balance out the darker story elements.
Even the villains in DS9 have a lot of charisma and screen presence.
While BSG is a very cool show, it's too downbeat, sensual & antagonistic for my taste. I only get so much entertainment value from watching Baltair unravel. At some point you just say, break down already.
I think Stargate has a good mix of episodic & arc. Not too much of either. (But come on, a little heavy on the crisis-pileups).
While BSG is a very cool show, it's too downbeat, sensual & antagonistic for my taste. I only get so much entertainment value from watching Baltair unravel. At some point you just say, break down already.
I think Stargate has a good mix of episodic & arc. Not too much of either. (But come on, a little heavy on the crisis-pileups).
I won't knock BSG but IMHO DS9 encompassed a much broader scope of storylines. Yes we had our very dark moments and wars, but in between were peppered with episodes like Take Me out To The Holosuite, The Magnificent Ferengi(I still bust a gut watching that). Yet Star Treks darkest hours were also in DS9. I have enjoyed some new BSG but its just too much non stop dark stuff for my tastes. I however am glad that Sci-Fi is still mainstream. I remember the 1970's when all we had were 3 seasons of Star Trek, Lost in Space, and a few other shows, all in reruns. Now we have a wide variety of Sci-Fi again, and thats good. To each his own I say!
DS9 is better because Moore actually had other great writers with him to keep the show on track and reign in bad ideas of his (Ie: turning the show into a badly-made soap opera like nuBSG) from dominating the show too much.
There's a good reason why DS9 lasted for 7 seasons and nuBSG only lasted for 4. It's because DS9 is a way better show.
BSG has more than just Moore as a carry-over from DS9, namely Michael Taylor and Weddle & Thompson, three of the best writers on DS9.
A large part of the reason BSG is ending next year is for creative reasons. It's positively refreshing for a show to go in, tell its story, and get the hell out of there. I have no doubt that if they wanted to stay on, Sci Fi would keep them on the air. Instead they're developing Caprica because Sci Fi wants these same people telling stories with the BSG brand name.
I think DS9 was potentially better than BSG, don't get me wrong, I love DS9. But from pretty much every stand point, BSG is better. My main problem with DS9 was that it kept falling into the Star Trek type stand alone episodes in the middle of important events in the galaxy. Dominion War? Pfft, lets go piss about on the holodeck. That stuff wouldn't happen in BSG. What if Adama had done something as grave as Sisko in ITPM, would that not have long standing affects in BSG? Yes, but in DS9 it was forgotten about.
I think DS9 is brilliant, but sometimes it just felt disjointed. Especially towards the end when it seemed like it was "Shit, we forgot about the emissary storyline and the Dominion storyline".
I think DS9 is brilliant, but sometimes it just felt disjointed. Especially towards the end when it seemed like it was "Shit, we forgot about the emissary storyline and the Dominion storyline".
O rly?
Starbuck just came back from the dead, but instead of doing even a little bit to explain the hows and whys of that peculiar little event, let's gloss over it, pretend it never happened, and focus an episode, or two, or four on the Adama/Roslin (ick) and Tigh/Six (double ick) "love stories".
Also, how many "chosen ones" do we have now? At least four by my count. Kinda defeats the idea of the chosen one, doesn't it. They never got around to explaining the significance of any of them.
Did they ever let the audience in on that Cylon "plan" that they spent three years insisting existed?
Maybe someone can explain what's allegedly so good about it? All I'm seeing is an "epic fail" at storytelling.
Personally I think it's "popularity" (if you can call having marginally more viewers than Stargate: Atlantis "popularity") is due to one of the same factors that contributed largely to TNG's. No competition. With Stargate in hiatus, there are really no other shows of it's genre on right now. I know that's the only reason I watch it.
Well, there's Doctor Who, but the two are so far apart in tone that there is easily room for both without difficulty.
I dunno. Stuff like Kara's "I found Earth" to being actually "well I did, and I kinda remember how to get there, I'm going crazy because we're going further away from Earth (I think) so lend me a ship and I think I know how to get there" is worse. Or her being batshit crazy to being the sane one is some weird 180 character change.
