I apologise before hand but profanity needs to be used in this instant...
Absolutely fu*king fantastic.
Top marks from me...roll on next week.
Absolutely fu*king fantastic.
Top marks from me...roll on next week.
Doctor Who – 4x08 – Silence in the Library (Grade/Discuss)
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Guessed I missed that.
I'm pretty sure she is the doctor's wife, not his daughter (daughters usually don't say pretty man and write kisses in their messages to their father). Still would be cool if she were to be a time lord also
You know, this is a great episode for kids.
If I were 9 years old I would be scared shitless.
I'm 30 and it scared me shitless...
fan-bloody-tastic!
I loved it too - for all the reasons mentioned here already.
I watched the episode with my 5-year-old daughter. She was more fascinated than scared and kept asking me questions. She only got concerned at the end and asked me pretty upset: "What happened to the nice Lady?" She meant Donna and she wasn`t happy when I told her she has to wait for a week to find out.
To me, it wasn`t as creepy as the gas mask episode but pretty much as creepy as the one with the statues.
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Actually, I think a lot of younger kids are going to hate this episode. It introduces a great many concepts in the span of only fifteen minutes, and it's confusing as heck even for an adult.
Fuck'em, Stephen Moffat is the reason TV has a right to exist. If this is what Moffat Who is going to be about--elliptical storytelling and high-concept stories on the level of Logopolis, then bring it on.
Fuck'em, Stephen Moffat is the reason TV has a right to exist. If this is what Moffat Who is going to be about--elliptical storytelling and high-concept stories on the level of Logopolis, then bring it on.
Its been dark for a hour or so here in the UK and you know somewhere there is a 9 year old desperately hoping that the batteries in his torch hold out the night.
On another note if I was a shrink I would be exactly like that guy who talks to the girl.
girl - i think there's aliens in my head..
shrink - that's becuase there are and they want to kill you
girl - what!?!?
shrink - they mostly come out at night, mostly..
girl - :-(
On another note if I was a shrink I would be exactly like that guy who talks to the girl.
girl - i think there's aliens in my head..
shrink - that's becuase there are and they want to kill you
girl - what!?!?
shrink - they mostly come out at night, mostly..
girl - :-(
I didnt see a Rose reference in this episode, but ive not checked OG yet, im sure that lot will have seen it, if there was one
really enjoyed this episode, its pretty clear she is a future companion, something I hope they follow up on in the future
as for "saved" I think all the dead people (& Donna) are saved in a computer via the transporter device that the Doctor used on Donna.
really enjoyed this episode, its pretty clear she is a future companion, something I hope they follow up on in the future
as for "saved" I think all the dead people (& Donna) are saved in a computer via the transporter device that the Doctor used on Donna.
One of the things I really like about this episode is something the writer has touched on before with "Blink" and "The Girl in the Fireplace" and that is the way the Doctor can pop in and out of someone's lifetime and have a huge effect without even realising it.
More to the point the idea that from his perspective things can happen out of order is a fascinating way of setting up stories that I'm surprised hasn't been used more often.
In fact as I understand it, considering it's a show about a time traveller there's surprisingly little in terms of actual stories about the narrative effects of time travel.
That is until the relaunch, where we've seen it quite a few times now; what happens when Rose tried to save her father in "Father's Day", the tie gag from "Smith and Jones", the whole Madame de Pompadour thing in "The Girl in the Fireplace", Marc Warren's mum in "Love & Monsters", Lizzy the 1st's reaction at the end of "The Shakespeare Code" and of course Sally Sparrow (who really needs to appear again!) in "Blink".
After watching this latest one, I wonder if Moffat has read The Time Traveller's Wife?
Also, path crossing with Paul McGann wouldn't go amiss!
As for Logopolis; I watched it on youtube a few months back out of curiosity and I honestly can't see what all the fuss was about. It dragged on for an eternity, made little sense and the "twist" at the end made no sense at all.
More to the point the idea that from his perspective things can happen out of order is a fascinating way of setting up stories that I'm surprised hasn't been used more often.
In fact as I understand it, considering it's a show about a time traveller there's surprisingly little in terms of actual stories about the narrative effects of time travel.
That is until the relaunch, where we've seen it quite a few times now; what happens when Rose tried to save her father in "Father's Day", the tie gag from "Smith and Jones", the whole Madame de Pompadour thing in "The Girl in the Fireplace", Marc Warren's mum in "Love & Monsters", Lizzy the 1st's reaction at the end of "The Shakespeare Code" and of course Sally Sparrow (who really needs to appear again!) in "Blink".
After watching this latest one, I wonder if Moffat has read The Time Traveller's Wife?
Also, path crossing with Paul McGann wouldn't go amiss!
As for Logopolis; I watched it on youtube a few months back out of curiosity and I honestly can't see what all the fuss was about. It dragged on for an eternity, made little sense and the "twist" at the end made no sense at all.
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I'm getting this weird feeling that this idea of the Doctor having a daughter and now possibly a wife may wind up with Donna being his other granddaughter. She can fly the TARDIS surprisingly well, you know, which seems to be a sign that she could be a relative.
Of course, that may well mean Wilf is a future Doctor or maybe her other grandfather (you know, we all have 2 you know) is the Doctor. In that case, the irony here is that she left her mother and grandfather to travel with her other grandfather, which would be neat. And it'd be tragic if she had to have her memories wiped to protect her.
Of course, that may well mean Wilf is a future Doctor or maybe her other grandfather (you know, we all have 2 you know) is the Doctor. In that case, the irony here is that she left her mother and grandfather to travel with her other grandfather, which would be neat. And it'd be tragic if she had to have her memories wiped to protect her.
Ok, I'm glad I watched that episode during the daylight because that absolutely creeped me out. What's worse is I think I was dreaming about this episode last night. The dream was that shadows found a way to come up and eat you, and then I watch this episode and I may go to bed with the light on tonight. Good god if I was a 9 year old, I would be so scared shitless right now. I really hope I don't have nightmares, especially with "Who turned out the lights" screaming in my head. 
Despite the fact that I'm afraid I might not sleep tonight, I loved this episode. It's one big mindfuck and so far it's working. It really felt like this was the shortest Doctor Who episode I've ever seen. Time just flew by and it felt like only 10 minutes before I realized the ending was here and I was left with Donna saying "Donna Noble has been saved, she has left the library." Damn I didn't want that show to end. Some other tidbits:
-Did anyone get a Matrix vibe from this one. I mean when Doctor Moon told the little girl (Does she have a name and I missed it?) that the Library was real and she was living in the lie, there was something just really Morpheus Cool about that scene. If only he had the glasses, he really would have been like Morpheus.
-The first thought I had was that Riversong was the Doctor's Daughter, but Jenny is white and this person is black. I was then wondering if she had any relation to Martha or her family but this is the 51st century.
-I was so hoping for a "Don't Blink, Blink and your dead" when the Doctor was on the TV to the girl. I thought that would have been funny.
-So far, this is the best Doctor Who story I've seen this season and maybe ever. I so can't wait till Saturday. Until then, pleasant dreams.
Despite the fact that I'm afraid I might not sleep tonight, I loved this episode. It's one big mindfuck and so far it's working. It really felt like this was the shortest Doctor Who episode I've ever seen. Time just flew by and it felt like only 10 minutes before I realized the ending was here and I was left with Donna saying "Donna Noble has been saved, she has left the library." Damn I didn't want that show to end. Some other tidbits:
-Did anyone get a Matrix vibe from this one. I mean when Doctor Moon told the little girl (Does she have a name and I missed it?) that the Library was real and she was living in the lie, there was something just really Morpheus Cool about that scene. If only he had the glasses, he really would have been like Morpheus.
-The first thought I had was that Riversong was the Doctor's Daughter, but Jenny is white and this person is black. I was then wondering if she had any relation to Martha or her family but this is the 51st century.
-I was so hoping for a "Don't Blink, Blink and your dead" when the Doctor was on the TV to the girl. I thought that would have been funny.
-So far, this is the best Doctor Who story I've seen this season and maybe ever. I so can't wait till Saturday. Until then, pleasant dreams.
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??? Enlighten me
that doesnt make it impossible, and no this is not me looking to restart the "can we have a black Doctor" debate.
as for this Doctors Wife thing, I hope that isnt true sounds awful. Maybe she is a future companion who is just very flirty.
Quick word on the whole Matrix thing, I thought it was quite clear that the girl and the people in her "world" are the ones who were "saved" (so survivors) into the computer core by rigging up the teleporter. After all, the whole planet is one big hard drive so plenty of room for all that data. Not sure how or why this girl is able to access the real world, but I imagine it'll be explained in the next ep. Of course all that explains what happened to Donna, she was physically killed by the beam so her information could be digitised, so she's in the world with the girl too. I imagine it'll all be reversed next week with everyone coming back to reality...well, Donna at least.
Still curious what made the shadowy nano-piranha things congregate in such huge numbers.
Still curious what made the shadowy nano-piranha things congregate in such huge numbers.
Above Average so far; call me a heretic, but I wasn't quite as impressed this time as I usually am by Moffat episodes. The humor was a bit too sparse, and the gothic horror didn't land the way it usually does- the dark as a villain doesn't have the impact of gas masks, clockwork droids, or malevolent statues.
Guest actors weren't up to much this week: Alex Kingston didn't bring enough depth to River Song, and Talulah Riley overplayed Miss Evangelista's idiot demeanor to the detriment of the character.
Next week looks promising though, so there's still time for the whole story to merit a Fantastic.
Guest actors weren't up to much this week: Alex Kingston didn't bring enough depth to River Song, and Talulah Riley overplayed Miss Evangelista's idiot demeanor to the detriment of the character.
Next week looks promising though, so there's still time for the whole story to merit a Fantastic.
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After watching this latest one, I wonder if Moffat has read The Time Traveller's Wife?
Also, path crossing with Paul McGann wouldn't go amiss!
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Do not mention The Time Travellers' Wife!
Sorry, but I've got a friend who wrote the same random-order-time-travel-romance story years before (called Bad Timing), had it published to rave reviews, and had a film development deal working out nicely until TTW came along and suddenly it was 'too similar'.
In any case, Steve Moffat's Decalog story Continuity Errors long predates Time Travllers Wife anyway.
Am I misreading the post, or do you (Tomalak) think River Song is black? 'Cos, whatever effect lighting and make-up might have, Alex Kingston isn't, you know... (check out several seasons of ER for brighter lit images).
I can't rate this episode any lower than "fantastic!"
Steven Moffat has struck again! If starting off with a planet sized-library invaded by deadly shadows wasn't good enough, throwing in a mysterious, yet witty archaeologist who knows The Doctor intimately well but he hasn't met her yet makes it all the better. Plus, she's in the possession of an "early" TARDIS-covered diary of his that he's not allowed to read because he said so. If this diary (and his face) are so young, then her Doctor must be very old indeed.
Like all of Moffat's venture, this episode is filled with lots of great little moments:
"I'm a time traveler. I point and laugh at archaeologists." - The Doctor
Hearing tidbits of future adventures for The Doctor. Did River say Asgard?
The Doctor wasn't able to open up the doors not because it was deadlocked, but because they were wooden! Fortunately, The Doctor Donna along for the old-fashioned method!
Speaking of Donna, the sudden revelation that Donna had become one of the nodes was very creepy.
Miss Evangalista's slow death was both touching and tragic and not just because of its nature (believe me, the data ghost death is quite creepy): what really sold that scene was taking the time focus on the death, as oppose to quickly glossing over it like so many deaths for "non-essential" (for a lack of a better world) characters. By taking the time to show the death, the threat of the Vashta Nerada's is taken seriously.
Did anyone see the toy robot behind the little girl? Was it just me or did it look a lot like the robot from Lost in Space.
Speaking of the little girl, I love the twist that she, her dad, and Dr. Moon weren't reality and the library is. I bet they're inside the Library database and she will be key to rescuing Donna and the 4022 other "saved" patrons.
Lastly, this is probably just me because I just finished watching Life on Mars, but was anyone else reminded of Sam Tyler when the phone was ringing and only the little girl could hear it?
The one thing I don't like about this episode is that because River is eventually given the sonic screwdriver that means it never gets destroyed. Bah.
Steven Moffat has struck again! If starting off with a planet sized-library invaded by deadly shadows wasn't good enough, throwing in a mysterious, yet witty archaeologist who knows The Doctor intimately well but he hasn't met her yet makes it all the better. Plus, she's in the possession of an "early" TARDIS-covered diary of his that he's not allowed to read because he said so. If this diary (and his face) are so young, then her Doctor must be very old indeed.
Like all of Moffat's venture, this episode is filled with lots of great little moments:
"I'm a time traveler. I point and laugh at archaeologists." - The Doctor
Hearing tidbits of future adventures for The Doctor. Did River say Asgard?
The Doctor wasn't able to open up the doors not because it was deadlocked, but because they were wooden! Fortunately, The Doctor Donna along for the old-fashioned method!
Speaking of Donna, the sudden revelation that Donna had become one of the nodes was very creepy.
Miss Evangalista's slow death was both touching and tragic and not just because of its nature (believe me, the data ghost death is quite creepy): what really sold that scene was taking the time focus on the death, as oppose to quickly glossing over it like so many deaths for "non-essential" (for a lack of a better world) characters. By taking the time to show the death, the threat of the Vashta Nerada's is taken seriously.
Did anyone see the toy robot behind the little girl? Was it just me or did it look a lot like the robot from Lost in Space.
Speaking of the little girl, I love the twist that she, her dad, and Dr. Moon weren't reality and the library is. I bet they're inside the Library database and she will be key to rescuing Donna and the 4022 other "saved" patrons.
Lastly, this is probably just me because I just finished watching Life on Mars, but was anyone else reminded of Sam Tyler when the phone was ringing and only the little girl could hear it?
The one thing I don't like about this episode is that because River is eventually given the sonic screwdriver that means it never gets destroyed. Bah.
Does Moffat hate children?
There's not a single episode that he doesn't turn ordinary things into absolutely terrifying objects. Statues, shadows, mummys.
FANTASTIC.
There's not a single episode that he doesn't turn ordinary things into absolutely terrifying objects. Statues, shadows, mummys.
FANTASTIC.
For some reason, I'm nervous about this one. Just with the tagline I feel like it might be some kind of 'Blink-lite'. Not to mention...and it sounds weird...but the promos make the episode look cheap. Hopefully like all Moffat stories this one will just slap me silly...
And to think...you guys were worried!
Oooo...If you're hinting at what I think you're hinting at, that would be very interesting indeed. I haven't read the early coded spoilers because I really want to be surprised by this.
That River Song is actually a future regeneration of The Doctor?
I noticed that as well and it's one of my favorite aspects about Steven Moffat's stories.
Yeah, I wish there was more of that, too. There wasn't much of that in the classic series either, but it happens from time to time (The Face of Evil, Mawdryn Undead, etc.).
Oh yeah. Like, two minutes in and I was already just kicking back and accepting the surreal genius of Steven Moffat. Let's face it, Moffat is the only heir to the Douglas Adams throne. I know in my heart of hearts that he will, someday, write something subpar. Especially once he takes over the show. But for now, he's batting a perfect game.
And, am I the only one that got a crazy 'Romana'-vibe off Alex Kingsto? (Who, btw, I would kill any of you to sleep with...
) I mean, I know it's not Romana. She just sort of acted like her, is all.
Can't wait for part two...
And, am I the only one that got a crazy 'Romana'-vibe off Alex Kingsto? (Who, btw, I would kill any of you to sleep with...
) I mean, I know it's not Romana. She just sort of acted like her, is all.Can't wait for part two...
Not if I kill you first.