First Look At Alien From New Trek Film - Serious
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Take a closer look at TMP, ST IV, ST V, ST VI - or Species 8472. Or most of the bar aliens in DS9.
^As I said, a few rare and acceptable situations. To my knowledge, there has never been a "Cantina Scene" in Star Trek. My hope is that there will never be one.
I agree completely. I was never a Star Wars fan because I felt it was little kid comic strip type adventure because of the freak-me-out type aliens. The weirder aliens may produce more shock effect initially, but the audience won't be able to relate to the alien as much long term. Yes, I might be challenged by watching Kirk put the moves on a Ferenghi girl, but watching Kirk put the moves on a more normal looking female gives me something I can relate to better. Alien is good but weirded out alien does nothing for me.
Frankly, as far as I am concerned (and I can't believe people seriously think this is an issue, but..), the weirder the aliens, the better.
Screw the (rather weak) progenitor rationalization written into TNG - if human beings ever do find other intelligent races in this universe, the likelyhood that they would look even remotely like us is a long-shot so extreme, it doesn't bear close examination of any kind. It is completely unrealistic to expect even slightly humanoid species, let alone human beings with a bit of plastecine on their noses as passing for aliens.
I was assuming posts to this effect so far were merely jokes, but the entry above makes me question that assumption.
Screw the (rather weak) progenitor rationalization written into TNG - if human beings ever do find other intelligent races in this universe, the likelyhood that they would look even remotely like us is a long-shot so extreme, it doesn't bear close examination of any kind. It is completely unrealistic to expect even slightly humanoid species, let alone human beings with a bit of plastecine on their noses as passing for aliens.
I was assuming posts to this effect so far were merely jokes, but the entry above makes me question that assumption.
Really? I wouldn't be surprised if they look more like us.
Also, I like it when the alien's differentness is portrayed through their cultural, politcal and sociological differences rather than their outward appearance. Just because the Star Wars aliens look so much diffrent than us doesn't really mean they are different. But to each their own I guess.
As opposed to Wookies, Ewokes, whatever race Yoda came from, and 95% of the Star Wars aliens?
I don't see that is so bizzare about these aliens. They don't look much more "alien" then Bollians or any other regular background Trek alien.
What drives you to that rather bizarre conclusion, since most exobiologists I have read would disagree completely ?
What drives me to that conclusion? Well, I don't know. My imagination, I guess. I thought it was very likely that life would only evolve on planets that are similar to ours (regarding gravity, atmosphere, distance from the sun etc). And to that effect the lifeform would look rather similar to us. I don't know what exobiologists have to say about the matter. It's just my guess.
Evolution is a random process, driven by other random processes..
Consider life on this planet for instance. If a comet hadn't hit us at exactly the right time, reptiles would have continued to evolve as the dominant life form, eventually evolving into an intelligent species (this assumption based on the observed increasing cranial capacity of our own duck-billed dinos). So even if we had a planet which was the exact duplicate of the Earth in all minor details (unlikely itself in the extreme), and the evolution of life on the planet took all the same random turns as it did here (again, unlikely in the extreme) we could, at best expect intelligent reptile-like creatures to be found there, or, more probably, something even more bizarre...
Start factoring in varying environmental conditions that one would expect to find on other worlds and you have a completely different ballgame for the rules of life.
Consider life on this planet for instance. If a comet hadn't hit us at exactly the right time, reptiles would have continued to evolve as the dominant life form, eventually evolving into an intelligent species (this assumption based on the observed increasing cranial capacity of our own duck-billed dinos). So even if we had a planet which was the exact duplicate of the Earth in all minor details (unlikely itself in the extreme), and the evolution of life on the planet took all the same random turns as it did here (again, unlikely in the extreme) we could, at best expect intelligent reptile-like creatures to be found there, or, more probably, something even more bizarre...
Start factoring in varying environmental conditions that one would expect to find on other worlds and you have a completely different ballgame for the rules of life.
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Very good!
There may have been baiting going on, but the only one in charge of responding is you. Just. Don't. Do it.Seriously...no clue whatsoever.
I know it's a damn remake.
What do you think I'm bitching about it for?
I could take a guess. But not one I could say in polite society.
This time I was baited into responding.
I'm a little annoyed with several people in this thread, some quoted here and some not, but you know who you are. Everyone cool it, and fer crying out loud, stop dragging squabbles in from elsewhere -- it isn't needed here, it gives me a headache and it isn't making any of you look very good.
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Uh don't credit me for that. It's a TOS homage - in the original series the passageways leading to the sides in main engineering are labelled "GNDN", the acronym being an inside joke by the production staff..
I see several assumptions in the above post, none of which are any better than those of others with different assumptions.
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Well it's all theory and assumption until we actually make contact or find evidence of an extraterrestrial species. But I think you'll find these are the generally accepted exobiological schools of thought.
There is the theory that life was seeded in this galaxy/universe by a "progenitor" race as exemplified in TNG, but it's not really given as much credence as the more likely explanations within those circles..
There is the theory that life was seeded in this galaxy/universe by a "progenitor" race as exemplified in TNG, but it's not really given as much credence as the more likely explanations within those circles..
Nature is a superb mimic. It is to borrow a phrase logical, to assume an intelligent race would require many of the attributes that make us look and function the way we do. Two eyes set at the front of the face for binocular vision and depth perception. Hands, free from the chore of supporting the body that can grasp and manipulate it's environment. A mouth, ears or organs for hearing. A means to communicate verbally.
Of course it all depends on the environment the beings evolved in. But assuming a Earth type planet with near identical environs. I would think they wouldn't seem at all that alien.
Of course it all depends on the environment the beings evolved in. But assuming a Earth type planet with near identical environs. I would think they wouldn't seem at all that alien.
A rational argument for sure, and I completely conceed this point. Biological convergence does happen.
But this does not equate to humans walking around with slightly different noses or earlobes. I mean, really.. Nature may be a great mimic, and dolphins may look alot like sharks or ichthyosaurs, from a distance, but there are also a great many differences..
But this does not equate to humans walking around with slightly different noses or earlobes. I mean, really.. Nature may be a great mimic, and dolphins may look alot like sharks or ichthyosaurs, from a distance, but there are also a great many differences..
I think it boils down to what do we think will attract more of an audience and reinvigorate the franchise? I am open to being wrong but if a newcomer looked at the bridge of the Enterprise and found a big worm as captain, a flying pig as science officer, and rock monster for a doctor - he might just write this off as silly. OTOH aliens with slightly differing appearnaces - like a Vulcan or Orion might attract as something we can relate to yet is strangely attractive. Just my opinion. Unless the film does well, the franchise dies. It must go more mainstream and attract newcomers.
OTOH Star Wars, with all its freaks, did better than I would have thought. Would the appeal have lasted as long and spawned as much as ST did though? I am not certain it would have.
OTOH Star Wars, with all its freaks, did better than I would have thought. Would the appeal have lasted as long and spawned as much as ST did though? I am not certain it would have.
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