Would SpocK do a "Marty McFlay"...

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

... and give Kirk a little advice about being on the first flight of the Enterprise-B a couple decades later?
I know nothing like that will happen.
But do you think it might be a logical choice for Spock to
tell Kirk about his death?
It would really explain Kirk's odd explanation of why he knew he wouldn't die falling from that mountain.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

... and give Kirk a little advice about being on the first flight of the Enterprise-B a couple decades later?
I know nothing like that will happen.
But do you think it might be a logical choice for Spock to
tell Kirk about his death?
It would really explain Kirk's odd explanation of why he knew he wouldn't die falling from that mountain.

I think it would going against the Temporal Prime Directive. Not sure if that was in place in the 23rd century as I tend not spend alot of time trying to remember imaginary historical dates when I can't even remember real historical dates half the time...but it was most certainly in place later on...and if Spock is a time traveler, he would be aware of the TPD and likely abide by it.

Not to mention the fact that if you mess with the timeline, you don't know if your messing about will make things better or worse.

 

[STIntergalactic]

I wonder if Amanda Grayson will try to get with Spock.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I wonder if Amanda Grayson will try to get with Spock.

No, but he will bone Wynonna Kirk.

That's right. "Jim...I am your father."

 

[Ward Fowler]

You can't go wrong with the Marty McFlay. That's the only thing I order off the menu.

 

[gastrof]

.....if you mess with the timeline, you don't know if your messing about will make things better or worse.

If Kirk doesn't get sent into the Nexus, Picard has nobody to help him deal with Soran, and as a result Enterprise D's entire crew are killed when the star explodes. (The saucer was already on the planet surface.)

Some would not complain about this...

 

[Akiraprise]

I think it would going against the Temporal Prime Directive. Not sure if that was in place in the 23rd century as I tend not spend alot of time trying to remember imaginary historical dates when I can't even remember real historical dates half the time...but it was most certainly in place later on...and if Spock is a time traveler, he would be aware of the TPD and likely abide by it.

The almighty Temporal Prime Directive. Take my advice. It's less of a headache if you just ignore it.

 

[M'Sharak]

I think it would going against the Temporal Prime Directive. Not sure if that was in place in the 23rd century as I tend not spend alot of time trying to remember imaginary historical dates when I can't even remember real historical dates half the time...but it was most certainly in place later on...and if Spock is a time traveler, he would be aware of the TPD and likely abide by it.

The almighty Temporal Prime Directive. Take my advice. It's less of a headache if you just ignore it.

If you look at what we saw on-screen, it becomes uncertain whether the TPD (as official Starfleet policy) actually existed at all. I have my suspicions that its invocation was in fact a way for Janeway to sidestep her stated susceptibility to temporal mechanics-induced headaches by saying, in effect, "Nope, this! I'm not touching it!"

C'mon... you can practically hear her saying it.

 

[AlboOfBorg]

I wonder if Amanda Grayson will try to get with Spock.

 

[Franklin]

You can't go wrong with the Marty McFlay. That's the only thing I order off the menu.

^^^^^^^^^^


Spock will do a Marty McFly, right? Just tweeking the OP. We all doo typos.

On thread: No. No. No. Spock should tell Kirk nothing about the future. Temporal prime directive or not, if the purpose of the story is Spock is supposed to be putting the timeline right (or "about right"), then warning Kirk to avoid bald-headed captains of the Enterprise like the plague defeats his own purpose.
Spock (and Kirk) would have to know it doesn't take much to see that the problems of [two] little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. (Apologies to Rick Blaine.)

Also, it would give Kirk a sense of invulnerability up to that point. In other words, it risks Kirk behaving in ways that would drastically change time before he even meets his fate in the Nexus.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

You can't go wrong with the Marty McFlay. That's the only thing I order off the menu.

^^^^^^^^^^


Spock will do a Marty McFly, right? Just tweeking the OP. We all doo typos.

On thread: No. No. No. Spock should tell Kirk nothing about the future. Temporal prime directive or not, if the purpose of the story is Spock is supposed to be putting the timeline right (or "about right"), then warning Kirk to avoid bald-headed captains of the Enterprise like the plague defeats his own purpose.
Spock (and Kirk) would have to know it doesn't take much to see that the problems of [two] little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. (Apologies to Rick Blaine.)

Also, it would give Kirk a sense of invulnerability up to that point. In other words, it risks Kirk behaving in ways that would drastically change time before he even meets his fate in the Nexus.

Unless you take his comment about knowing that he`ll be dieing alone (without Spock and McCoy at least) is not just something he pulled out of his ass. And it would establish a source for his reputation of cheating death sooo many times.

Or not. But I'll be damned if Kirk won't at least be tempted to ASK Spock about his final demise.

Then again I'm wondering how it won't violate Kirk's reaction to Spock's death in ST II when the Spock from the future is about 80 years older than Spock at Genesis.

 

[Franklin]

Unless you take his comment about knowing that he`ll be dieing alone (without Spock and McCoy at least) is not just something he pulled out of his ass. And it would establish a source for his reputation of cheating death sooo many times.

Or not. But I'll be damned if Kirk won't at least be tempted to ASK Spock about his final demise.

Then again I'm wondering how it won't violate Kirk's reaction to Spock's death in ST II when the Spock from the future is about 80 years older than Spock at Genesis.

Which is why I'm saying there's an 85 percent probability that no one remembers anything when it's over. Or, nothing specific enough to alter the future as it's "supposed" to unfold.
If Spock knows he'll be revived by the Genesis planet and recovered by Kirk, then why go through all that in the first place?

Or, they could've robbed an idea from "All Good Things," and we see a future in this movie that doesn't have to happen.

 

[Akiraprise]

C'mon... you can practically hear her saying it.

Yes I could.

However, Captain Braxton did invoke the TPD when he told Janeway he could not return Voyager to Earth in the 24th century when they were in the 20th century. So it probably does exist in some form.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Let's hope he doesn't do a Bobby Flay.

 

[M'Sharak]

C'mon... you can practically hear her saying it.

Yes I could.

However, Captain Braxton did invoke the TPD when he told Janeway he could not return Voyager to Earth in the 24th century when they were in the 20th century. So it probably does exist in some form.

If it does, then why do you suppose Picard says this to Rasmussen in TNG's "A Matter of Time":

We have a Prime Directive, Professor, which tells us we have no right to interfere with the natural evolution of alien worlds. But even though I am sworn to uphold it, I have disregarded that directive on more than one occasion... When I knew it was the right thing to do. If you are holding true to some "temporal" equivalent of that directive, isn't there a possibility that this is an occasion for you to make an exception, to help me choose... because it's the right thing to do?

Here, it was Rasmussen who acted as if there were such a directive -- one of which Picard seemed to be completely unaware. Was the TPD rapidly enacted and made part of Federation and Starfleet policy in the interim, so that Sisko runs afoul of Dulmer and Lucsly for suspected violations thereof, and Janeway has it hardwired in to the point of it being a reflex?

The existence of the TPD is somewhat variable, it would seem.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Temporal_Prime_Directive

 

[Tralah]

I think that crossing over those elements of the Back to the Future movie with Star Trek could make for a fun fan fiction story, but for a serious movie? Hello no!

Then again I'm wondering how it won't violate Kirk's reaction to Spock's death in ST II when the Spock from the future is about 80 years older than Spock at Genesis.

I don't see a problem with at at all. If anything, I think it would make Kirk's reactions even MORE understandable. He would NOT be expecting Spock to die at all, so to see him die like that would be a huge shock—provided of course that Future Spock didn't tip him off about it (and I can't see Spock doing that).

 

[shatastrophic]

"We, as a nation, have suffered. Wounded and confused, we wonder whether life will ever be the same again. But for all our pain, we can heal, if each one of us pitches in. We all have a part to play, whether donating blood, contributing to relief charities, or writing high-quality fan fiction to help a grieving nation forget its troubles for just a little while."

"Such is the burden I have assumed."

"These are merely one man's meager efforts, to be sure. Such fanciful tales are far less than is needed to salve the wounds of Sept. 11. But, hopefully, they're enough to assure America that better days lie ahead. Better days and even better Back To The Future fanfic. Specifically, my nearly completed masterwork: It's an ambitious, never-before-attempted Back To The Future–Star Trek crossover titled Trek To The Future."

"Operating on the premise that Hill Valley is a suburb of San Francisco, my magnum opus takes the events of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and throws Marty, Doc, and Jennifer into the mix. While Kirk and crew stumble around the year 1986, attempting to save two humpback whales before returning to the 23rd century, Doc and Marty hover about the fringes, "helping" where necessary and borrowing Starfleet technology in myriad ingenious ways. It may well be my finest hour as a fanfic writer when Doc modifies a phaser to generate the necessary 1.21 gigawatts (I refuse to use the unscientific and meaningless "jigowatts") of power for the DeLorean."

"Trek To The Future's coda, in which Bryce McFly, the 24th-century descendant of Marty, is a skittish Starfleet Academy cadet menaced by half-Klingon Ba'Qa Tannen, will surely represent a high-water mark of American fan fiction. And the throwaway gag about Picard being descended from Principal Strickland will be masterfully rendered."

-An editorial article from the ONION, by Larry Groznic Oct 24, 2001

I thought it fit with this thread. I love that paper!!!

 

[Akiraprise]

The existence of the TPD is somewhat variable, it would seem.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Temporal_Prime_Directive

Interesting article. In the 24th Century it's existence is
suspect. But by the 29th, or Braxton's time, there is definitely one.

 

[Franklin]

I think that crossing over those elements of the Back to the Future movie with Star Trek could make for a fun fan fiction story, but for a serious movie? Hello no!

Then again I'm wondering how it won't violate Kirk's reaction to Spock's death in ST II when the Spock from the future is about 80 years older than Spock at Genesis.

I don't see a problem with at at all. If anything, I think it would make Kirk's reactions even MORE understandable. He would NOT be expecting Spock to die at all, so to see him die like that would be a huge shock—provided of course that Future Spock didn't tip him off about it (and I can't see Spock doing that).

The biggest problem with knowledge like this is that the acts of sacrifice and courage over his career become banal. If I know I'm not going to die, why not throw myself in front of every bullet?

Also, if Kirk knows Spock's around in the 24th century, then there are plenty of incidents before TWOK where he should've been either less concerned about Spock and his well-being, or even more shocked and concerned that things didn't seem to be unfolding "properly" i.e. Spock might die ("Amok Time" and "The Immunity Syndrome" for two examples).

For those reasons alone, I still think no character leaves that movie knowing for certain how the future will unfold.

 

[Tralah]

The biggest problem with knowledge like this is that the acts of sacrifice and courage over his career become banal. If I know I'm not going to die, why not throw myself in front of every bullet?

But you see, knowledge of the future isn't going to make you invulnerable. Kirk isn't going to magically become impervious to harm just because he learns that he lives to a certain age in one version of the timeline. Every act of courage he makes, he will have to make it and second guess to himself (is that what I would have done in the original timeline?). Same with Spock or anyone else if they manage to learn anything about the future from Old Spock.

Also, if Kirk knows Spock's around in the 24th century, then there are plenty of incidents before TWOK where he should've been either less concerned about Spock and his well-being, or even more shocked and concerned that things didn't seem to be unfolding "properly" i.e. Spock might die ("Amok Time" and "The Immunity Syndrome" for two examples).

For those reasons alone, I still think no character leaves that movie knowing for certain how the future will unfold.

I agree. Kirk and company know timelines can change, and the future for them is not set in stone. Unless Old Spock gives them information on the outcome of EVERY adventure they have, they are still going to have decide for themselves their course of action, and at the time that happens, they won't know if that's the course of action they took originally or not. They won't know if the timeline was altered due to the events in this movie or during one of their other adventures where the timeline was tampered with (ie City on the Edge of Forever).