Just Curious, Why isn't this forum under Science Fiction?

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I mean seriously, anyone who's watched this show knows there's about as much science fiction/supernatural stuff going on as any other show out there that would normally be considered sci-fi.

We've got time travel, apparently worm holes/transporting, a floating smoke monseter which might be any number of sci-fi related explanations, (un)dead people showing up everywhere, time displacement between the island and outside the island, apparent eternal youth (see Richard), electro-magnetic anomolies and there's even been talk of alien presence possibly explaining some of this. I'd argue that this show has as much "sci-fi" elements as Battle Star Galactica..........

So, just wondering why it's grouped in with other shows like CSI, Grey's anatomy and other shows when Lost is clearly a Sci-Fi/Supernatural show that just happens to be set in the present.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The current argument is that LOST is primarily a drama with science fiction elements. That and if it was moved to the Science-Fiction sub-forum group, those moderators would have another forum to monitor (limitation of the vBulletin software with sub-forums).

 

[Gertch]

Hopefully the subforum idea goes away. It's so annoying.

 

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The current argument is that LOST is primarily a drama with science fiction elements.

I'd say if things had stayed like they were in Season 1 you'd have a strong argument.

However, as you and I both know, that argument goes away pretty much completely with the advent of the Hatch, the Darhma initiative, the various stations involved in very sci-fi'ish activities, the end of the world-idea and everything else introduced in Season 2. And of course, as Season 4 continues to unfold I'd say there's even more sci-fi and less character-driven drama, Thursday's nights episode being the exception (kinda...we did have an undead Christian appearing and holding Claire's baby and apparently taking an undead Claire with him).

That and if it was moved to the Science-Fiction sub-forum group, those moderators would have another forum to monitor (limitation of the vBulletin software with sub-forums).

I'd vote yes for that in a heart beat, I don't like the sub-forum idea in the first place. It just makes it take that much longer to get to in the first place .

 

[PsychoPere]

That and if it was moved to the Science-Fiction sub-forum group, those moderators would have another forum to monitor (limitation of the vBulletin software with sub-forums).

I'd vote yes for that in a heart beat, I don't like the sub-forum idea in the first place. It just makes it take that much longer to get to in the first place .

So, um, what are you trying to vote for in your quote of Emh -- adding more work for the SFF mods? I'm sure they appreciate you wanting to make that decision for you. Also, as has been stated in a few QSF threads, Lost is staying right here, precisely due to that issue.

I'm also curious as to how sub-forums makes anything harder to get to. On the index page, you would've previously clicked on the Lost forum; now you click on the Lost sub-forum. It's still the same number of steps to get to the same location.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The current argument is that LOST is primarily a drama with science fiction elements.

So's BSG.

All sci fi is either sci fi drama or sci fi comedy. Sci fi is the genre, and drama or comedy is the general story type. You could also have a Western drama, Western comedy; cop-show drama, cop-show comedy; etc. Genre doesn't say whether it's drama or comedy, but everything must be either drama or comedy.

Even something not so great like Flash Gordon must be called a "drama." Drama doesn't mean "something worthwhile" versus action-oriented crap. Even action-oriented crap is drama (when it's not crappy comedy).

To actually answer the question, this forum is not in sci fi because then the forum divisions would be imbalanced - too many sci fi subforums, not enough Gen Media. It has nothing to do with the content of the show, which of course renders the whole structure of the way the forums are divided up merely a joke.

 

[Mitty]

No offence to the OP, but this question has been done to death in QS&F. Like Temis I believe this should be in SF&F but TPTB have made their decisions and no amount of complaining will change it by the looks, they've really dug their heals in over this one.

You have to look at it that either
a) we're being petty being asking for it to be moved, or
b) they're being petty by digging their heals in and not moving it.

Certain people have said that the people complaining about it basically need to "get a life" (not in those exact words, but that's what they meant).

If I was going to "get a life" I'd log off right now, and so should everybody else.

 

[sidious618]

Where the show is doesn't change the fact that it IS a sci-fi show, so I guess I don't really care. If it's easier for the mods then fine.

 

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So, um, what are you trying to vote for in your quote of Emh -- adding more work for the SFF mods?

That's simple, add a new mod to supplement those forums if "more work" is a concern.

I'm sure they appreciate you wanting to make that decision for you.

I'm not trying to make any decision for them, nor could I care less where this forum stays. It's a just a BBS on the internet that I now read every once in a while to chat about Lost. That's it.

I just logged on this morning and it struck me funny that I had to go to gen TV to get to a sci-fi/supernatural show when we have a forum for that very thing.

Also, as has been stated in a few QSF threads, Lost is staying right here, precisely due to that issue.

You're assuming I A) read the QSF threads...I don't....B) actually care what happens on this board in regards to where this forum ends up. You could put this forum under Gaming for all I care and it would make just as much as sense as it does here but I'd still visit it to chat with my fellow Lost fans.

I'm also curious as to how sub-forums makes anything harder to get to.

What are you talking about? Maybe I should read more QSF threads or something but now when I come here I don't just scroll down the main index page and click on the lost forum, I have to go to the Gen. TV forum, then click on the Lost "sub" forum and then I'm able to read the Lost threads. If there's a way to bypass that extra click, I'm unaware of it.

 

[label]

No offence to the OP, but this question has been done to death in QS&F.

Sorry, this is the only forum I ever read and that's even done pretty sporadically. I don't frequent this place nearly as often as I used to many years ago.

Honestly, I didn't even mean to stir anything up here....I really could care less if this forum is under the "Gen TV" heading or "Vegetable Porn" heading....like I mentioned to the previous poster I replied to, it just struck me as funny that this is classified as "Gen. TV" when a show like BSG (which I believe actually contain fewer sci-fi/supernatural elements than Lost) is under Sci-Fi.

No matter where it stays or ends up, I don't really care, I just thought I'd see why decision was made and what people thought about it. That's it....

Like Temis I believe this should be in SF&F but TPTB have made their decisions and no amount of complaining will change it by the looks, they've really dug their heals in over this one.

Perhaps. Don't really care one way or the other whether this administration keeps the forum here or moves it. It doesn't impact my ability to chat with my fellow Lost fans and it certainly doesn't change the fact that Lost is a Sci-Fi show regardless of where they decide to place this sub-forum at.

Certain people have said that the people complaining about it basically need to "get a life" (not in those exact words, but that's what they meant).

Yeah, while I wouldn't use those words, I would say in the grand scheme of things where a forum happens to be place on a random BBS site is quite a bit less than trivial.

With that being said, I really don't care to involve myself with something as trivial and meaningless as politics on a sci-fi bbs, I was more interested in discussing people's/fan's views on the show and why they may not view it as a sci-fi or fantasy show and why.......the board-related stuff is meaningless from the get go.

 

[PsychoPere]

I'm also curious as to how sub-forums makes anything harder to get to.

What are you talking about? Maybe I should read more QSF threads or something but now when I come here I don't just scroll down the main index page and click on the lost forum, I have to go to the Gen. TV forum, then click on the Lost "sub" forum and then I'm able to read the Lost threads. If there's a way to bypass that extra click, I'm unaware of it.

Yep, that's difficult to get to...

 

[label]

Yep, that's difficult to get to...

It is if you don't see it. I run at a pretty high res and have been completely missing that link. Thanks.

 

[Gertch]

I'm also curious as to how sub-forums makes anything harder to get to. On the index page, you would've previously clicked on the Lost forum; now you click on the Lost sub-forum. It's still the same number of steps to get to the same location.

No, it's more because you HAVE to click them. Before you could see the last thread updated from the main index. Now you can't. Now I HAVE to click to see if there is an interesting title.

VB also sucks at telling me what forums have new posts from my last visit. The old system changed the forum icon to read if you left the forum. Which was nice since I was done with it at that point. Now it doesn't. So the icon is meaningless for me.

But hey, why make it easier for your customers? No, don't bother to vote on that.

 

[PsychoPere]

Before you could see the last thread updated from the main index. Now you can't. Now I HAVE to click to see if there is an interesting title.

I will agree that this part of the change to subforums is somewhat disappointing.

VB also sucks at telling me what forums have new posts from my last visit. The old system changed the forum icon to read if you left the forum. Which was nice since I was done with it at that point. Now it doesn't. So the icon is meaningless for me.

The way vB does it makes more sense, I think. Logically, a thread should only be marked as read if a user has actually viewed the thread, not marked as read simply because the user has left the forum. Leaving a forum does not necessarily mean that the user is finished with that forum, after all. There is still the "Mark All Read" option for those who consider a more logical system to be a problem.

 

[Mr J]

Lost is so clearly sci-fi these days it is just funny to think that anyone could still think of it as anything else.

 

[Gertch]

I'm just glad we have our own forum so I'm staying mum.

 

[Top41]

I'm just glad we have our own forum so I'm staying mum.

What Gertch said. I'm glad this forum exists, and I really don't see the big deal in where it exists. It's not the island, people.

This really has been discussed to death in QSF. If people really want to continue the discussion, feel free to have it in QSF. But this isn't the place for it.

CLOSED.