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NEMESIS is worst Trek movie
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But have you noticed your boobs starting to firm up?
Oh, my...that was a bad joke...
I always thought Insurrection was the worst film
I liked 'em both. They're both underrated, although I am one of the few who contends that Nemesis did not break the chain of even-numbered Trek being great.
My picks are probably III and Insurrection, although being an avowed Trek fan, I still enjoyed both of these films.
My picks are probably III and Insurrection, although being an avowed Trek fan, I still enjoyed both of these films.
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And it is riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight about now I wish (all over again) that I had saved that thread from a few years ago Biggles and Timby wrote about Nemesis.
Lost to the wispy sands of time I suppose.
Lost to the wispy sands of time I suppose.
At least I'm not the only one who likes NEM and TFF.
*relieved sigh*
*relieved sigh*
At least I'm not the only one who likes NEM and TFF.
*relieved sigh*
Well, I'm not a big fan of NEM, but I do like TFF. Does that count?
The warning signs for Nemesis started in preproduction when Stuart Baird got the directing gig. He is most noted as an award winning editor than he is a director. I think Star Trek is a movie franchise where you have to have someone who has some knowledge of Trek history. (You can argue that Shatner was not a credit with TFF) but Baird was simply the wrong person. In his defense was the script that should have been set on fire and a cast that, I felt, with some members who were tired of the genre.
I still remember Baird's comments he made to a reporter:
"I know the fans take it hugely seriously. I took it very seriously to give you two hours of entertainment, with as much bang for your buck, and thrills, spills, emotion, and humour. That was my task, and not to get too precious about it."
Too precious? WTF?
I still remember Baird's comments he made to a reporter:
"I know the fans take it hugely seriously. I took it very seriously to give you two hours of entertainment, with as much bang for your buck, and thrills, spills, emotion, and humour. That was my task, and not to get too precious about it."
Too precious? WTF?
IMO, Nemesis wasn't the worst ST movie. As much as I hate to admit it, TFF was. Yeah, NEM was was the biggest bomb, TFF made millions more. Yet, the critics and the fans have all put TFF at the bottom (see rottentomatoes).
I didn't hate NEM but I also didn't love it. I don't think it deserved to be ranked lower than INS on RT (I still don't understand how that film got 63% compared to NEM's 43%). It has a lot of problems that Rick Berman should've caught: the insipid dune buggy scene, a bald, whiny, dress-wearing, effeminate, frustrated virgin who's supposed to be an evil version of Captain Picard...imo the biggest screw-up of a villain ever in a ST movie... a stupid version of Data...a blatant re-use of TWOK as a template, a slow act I. But it also had some great action and dialogue. I loved the scene with Picard and Data escaping from the Scimitar and the space battle at the end is 2nd only to the classic Mutara Battle fight in Khan.
I thought NEM was ok. Not great, but not bad either. The problem was, after INS, it needed to be great.
I didn't hate NEM but I also didn't love it. I don't think it deserved to be ranked lower than INS on RT (I still don't understand how that film got 63% compared to NEM's 43%). It has a lot of problems that Rick Berman should've caught: the insipid dune buggy scene, a bald, whiny, dress-wearing, effeminate, frustrated virgin who's supposed to be an evil version of Captain Picard...imo the biggest screw-up of a villain ever in a ST movie... a stupid version of Data...a blatant re-use of TWOK as a template, a slow act I. But it also had some great action and dialogue. I loved the scene with Picard and Data escaping from the Scimitar and the space battle at the end is 2nd only to the classic Mutara Battle fight in Khan.
I thought NEM was ok. Not great, but not bad either. The problem was, after INS, it needed to be great.
Revisiting this thread....again I watched Nemesis with someone who hadn't seen it before....my stepdaughter, who was actually on the computer when I started the movie and made a comment she thought it was something cool, then realized it was Star Trek which is not cool. Not only did she come over to watch it a few minutes later, she sat through the whole thing and enjoyed it. Data was her favorite character. I still feel if more non-Trekkers had given the movie a chance, and had not been sheep, led by a lot of pompous critics, the movie would have been more successful commercially.
I watched STV for the first time in years, I was actually able to stomach it without fast forwarding through anything. After watching these two movies in consecutive nights it boggles my mind that ANYONE would think STV could come within light years of STNEM. Every phase of movie making was better. I'm forced to conclude that anyone who thought STV was better are old TOS fans brainwashed into thinking anything with Shatner in it is better.
Edit: No I did not buy a STV DVD, I bought a boxed letterbox set of the first 6 ST movies on VHS years ago.
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I watched STV for the first time in years, I was actually able to stomach it without fast forwarding through anything. After watching these two movies in consecutive nights it boggles my mind that ANYONE would think STV could come within light years of STNEM. Every phase of movie making was better. I'm forced to conclude that anyone who thought STV was better are old TOS fans brainwashed into thinking anything with Shatner in it is better.
Edit: No I did not buy a STV DVD, I bought a boxed letterbox set of the first 6 ST movies on VHS years ago.
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As a huge fan of STNG and defender of what it is "about", STNG NEM was wholly in line with STNG on tv. Picard tried to believe Shinzon's peace overture, and even tried to convince him twice to convert to the younger Picard's point view (the Picard who became a mature Starfleet officer and explorer). He appealed to his wonder, which Picard knew he shared, but to no effect. In the end, the Romulan's lust for power evolved into realization of genocide, and they turned against Shinzon. Even the space battle, which STNG had few of, demonstrated two enemies could cooperate together. One of my favorite parts of the movie was the very end, when Donatra suggested peace might be the way for the Romulans and Federation. That is VERY STNG in my opinion, and far less trite than Shatner's "god is in all of us" BS at the end of STV.
You want "blasphemous"? How about Spock having an emotional younger brother, or Uhura turning into a stripper, or three of the most respected fictional characters in TV history getting drunk at a campfire, or SPock letting his captain be captured instead of shooting his brother, or Sulu and Chekov getting lost, or Scotty banging his head on a beam....need I go on??
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RobertScorpio
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You want "blasphemous"? How about Spock having an emotional younger brother...ummm,he was an OLDER brother, and it is about as blasphemous as Kirk having a gay son.
As for the rest? NEMESIS made less that FRONTIER, 104 million to 114 million..but in 2003 dollars 114 million would be 189 million..so not only was Frontier the better movie, it was by far a bigger hit...
And where as Frontier didn't kill the TOS movies, they got one more, Nemesis pretty got Berman put into the shit house, Enterprise got it tipped over...
I can actually watch TREK V. I like the scene where Sybok explores the big three's secret pains of their lives. I will never watch Nemesis again for the rest of my life...
FRONTIER the better movie...case closed...
Rob
Just because the actor who played David Marcus was gay doesn't mean the character was. The TWOK shooting script had some flirtation between him and Lt. Saavik (and Vonda McIntyre's novelization of TSFS took it several steps further, having the two of them get it on following a wake for Spock).
I agree with that, biggles. In a favorite non-Trek show of mine, the actor is gay but the character isn't.
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