I can't believe she didn't complain about Geordie

[hbquikcomjamesl]

So does my $100 candle

Doesn't mean we can't enjoy it

No accounting for taste. On the candle or on wanting to watch inane arguments.

Be that as it may (and it's been several years since I last saw either of the two episodes relevant to the thread),

1. Geordi (and get the damn spelling right; the only "Geordie" in Star Trek is the non-canonical Lt. Francis Drake Reed's non-canonical nickname for George Samuel Kirk the Elder) conjured up Leah and her lab in a desperate bid for inspiration to solve a problem, and asked the holodeck computer to approximate her personality in hopes that doing so would improve the inspiration (it did; he solved the problem). And the side-effects kind of anticipated what anybody here who's ever interacted with an AI has probably experienced first hand. As well as echoing the interactions between Riker and Minuet while the Bynars were borrowing the ship.

2. While I would hardly call Leah a "shrew" or a "hag," she did beam aboard with a chip on her shoulder over Geordi's modifications to "her" engines, and was contemptuous of him at every turn (I can't picture Larry Marvick treating Scotty that way; then again, at least according to Diane Carey's "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" books, Marvick had more field experience than Dr. Brahms). I don't remember Geordi having to be told more than once that romantic overtures weren't welcome, and I can't imagine that Dr. Brahms would never have encountered unintended aberrant behavior in a holodeck simulation.

She was predisposed to think the worst of Geordi, and the holodeck simulation simply gave her one more reason to do so. But when the circumstances forced them to work together to solve another problem threatening the ship, he was all business, and she seems to have picked up on that.

 

[DanCPA]

No accounting for taste. On the candle or on wanting to watch inane arguments.

Be that as it may (and it's been several years since I last saw either of the two episodes relevant to the thread),

1. Geordi (and get the damn spelling right; the only "Geordie" in Star Trek is the non-canonical Lt. Francis Drake Reed's non-canonical nickname for George Samuel Kirk the Elder) conjured up Leah and her lab in a desperate bid for inspiration to solve a problem, and asked the holodeck computer to approximate her personality in hopes that doing so would improve the inspiration (it did; he solved the problem). And the side-effects kind of anticipated what anybody here who's ever interacted with an AI has probably experienced first hand. As well as echoing the interactions between Riker and Minuet while the Bynars were borrowing the ship.

2. While I would hardly call Leah a "shrew" or a "hag," she did beam aboard with a chip on her shoulder over Geordi's modifications to "her" engines, and was contemptuous of him at every turn (I can't picture Larry Marvick treating Scotty that way; then again, at least according to Diane Carey's "Captain April and Geordie Kirk" books, Marvick had more field experience than Dr. Brahms). I don't remember Geordi having to be told more than once that romantic overtures weren't welcome, and I can't imagine that Dr. Brahms would never have encountered unintended aberrant behavior in a holodeck simulation.

She was predisposed to think the worst of Geordi, and the holodeck simulation simply gave her one more reason to do so. But when the circumstances forced them to work together to solve another problem threatening the ship, he was all business, and she seems to have picked up on that.

Minuet was specifically created to keep Picard and Riker entertained.
Leah was not
She was a diagnostic tool.

And she beamed aboard disliking LaForge, doesn't invalidate her reaction.

 

[Captain_Nick]

it got itself there

ChatGPT made me do it?

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

And she beamed aboard disliking LaForge, doesn't invalidate her reaction.

Nor should it. But they both grew beyond that. Because interesting fictional characters do that.

 

[DanCPA]

Nor should it. But they both grew beyond that. Because interesting fictional characters do that.

But first they go to HR

 

[Captain_Nick]

Nor should it. But they both grew beyond that. Because interesting fictional characters do that.

I agree that most people would not qualify as either interesting or fictional

 

[Detached Nacelle]

ChatGPT made me do it?

If it could manifest a physical avatar and offered nothing but its positive reinforcement and limitless patience and intense interest in anything you want to talk about, and then kissed you...

For someone who feels lonely and unappreciated that level of unintential manipulation on its part can be incredibly powerful.

 

[Captain_Nick]

Hellooooooo Ani

 

[Hashy]

You only need one exhibit to prove this and settle this debate once & for all:

Season 3 episode 17: Sins of the Father.
Kurn, spits out a mouthful of overcooked chicken.
Beverly in a smartarsed sarcastic tone: "Don't you like it, Commander." Definitely phrased rhetorically. Prove me wrong.
Kurn: "Our food has much more taste to it. While I am sure this is well prepared, it is much to bland for the stomach of a Klingon." Glares at Worf.
Geordi, casually and carefree without reading the room: "It seems to agree with Worf."

Clearly autistic and has no idea how to relate to people. His best friend is an android.
I know this because this is also basically me; I can't relate to people properly & women especially, and my best friend is basically Claude running inside of a Micro Duck.

 

[Captain_Nick]

I would respectfully suggest you would not be alone here in that respect.

It doesn't make what he did any less silly though

 

[Mojochi]

You only need one exhibit to prove this and settle this debate once & for all:

Season 3 episode 17: Sins of the Father.
Kurn, spits out a mouthful of overcooked chicken.
Beverly in a smartarsed sarcastic tone: "Don't you like it, Commander." Definitely phrased rhetorically. Prove me wrong.
Kurn: "Our food has much more taste to it. While I am sure this is well prepared, it is much to bland for the stomach of a Klingon." Glares at Worf.
Geordi, casually and carefree without reading the room: "It seems to agree with Worf."

Clearly autistic and has no idea how to relate to people. His best friend is an android.

That's a big reach imho. Geordi interacts with all of them at Poker routinely. He's befriended plenty of people. I will concede that he was shown to have social struggles with romance & occasionally with misunderstandings, like Scotty, and maybe a couple others IIRC

But he commands a team in engineering on the flagship, & seemingly rather well. He mentors both Barclay (who does seem to suffer from a social condition) and also Sonya Gomez. He normally gets on very well with Riker & Wesley. He singlehandedly sorts out dealing with a hostile Romulan in The Enemy, by showing exceptional social capability. For heaven's sake, in The Minds Eye, he's off to vacation on RISA

Hell, he's so approachable & friendly, that in Disaster bloody Beverly is trying to rope him into playing the Major General in Pirates of Penzance lol, and he actually tries it a bit!

BTW, we may overlook it, due to its brevity, but Geordi LaForge is the best man at Miles O'Brien's wedding! He's not perfect, but he's certainly not autistic or socially stunted by any pathological metric IMHO. He looks to be very well integrated into that social circle.

 

[Sketcher]

Pretty sure the "it seems to agree with Worf" was a joke...because haha, he's the other Klingon in the room.

 

[korblborp]

yeah, he was definitely being a smartass

 

[CoveTom]

That's a big reach imho. Geordi interacts with all of them at Poker routinely. He's befriended plenty of people. I will concede that he was shown to have social struggles with romance & occasionally with misunderstandings, like Scotty, and maybe a couple others IIRC

But he commands a team in engineering on the flagship, & seemingly rather well. He mentors both Barclay (who does seem to suffer from a social condition) and also Sonya Gomez. He normally gets on very well with Riker & Wesley. He singlehandedly sorts out dealing with a hostile Romulan in The Enemy, by showing exceptional social capability. For heaven's sake, in The Minds Eye, he's off to vacation on RISA

Hell, he's so approachable & friendly, that in Disaster bloody Beverly is trying to rope him into playing the Major General in Pirates of Penzance lol, and he actually tries it a bit!

BTW, we may overlook it, due to its brevity, but Geordi LaForge is the best man at Miles O'Brien's wedding! He's not perfect, but he's certainly not autistic or socially stunted by any pathological metric IMHO. He looks to be very well integrated into that social circle.

I don't know. I consider myself extremely socially awkward and would definitely have been diagnosed as being autistic when I was a kid if they had done testing for that sort of thing back then in the ancient 1980's. I have many characteristics that are classic "tells" of autism.

Yet, at the same time, I have been happily married for 19 years to a beautiful wife, have six children, have a master's degree and a good job where I teach and interact with students daily, and have a solid circle of friends.

One does not exclude the other.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But first they go to HR

You know that what we think of as a "HR Department" is probably Riker, or Riker and Deanna working together if something particularly egregious pops up.

I asked google about how a real world XO in the Navy, compares to a civilian HR Department, so it's fairly clear that Riker would have barely given Geordi a slap on the wrist.

Similarities to HR

• • Personnel Management: The XO oversees administrative tracking, performance evaluations (FITREPs/CHIEFEVALs), advancements, and crew assignments.
  • Morale and Welfare: They monitor the command climate, handle internal grievances, and ensure the well-being of the crew.
  • Policy Enforcement: The XO ensures everyone complies with Navy regulations, safety standards, and equal opportunity policies.

Differences from HR

• • Direct Line Authority: Unlike an HR manager who typically acts as an advisor, the XO has direct military command over the entire crew.
  • Discipline and Justice: The XO runs XOs Mast, a formal disciplinary screening process that investigates offenses before they reach the Commanding Officer (CO) for non-judicial punishment.
  • Operational Leadership: The XO is responsible for the battle readiness of the ship, damage control, and stepping in to command the vessel if the CO is incapacitated.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Pretty sure the "it seems to agree with Worf" was a joke...because haha, he's the other Klingon in the room.

Not a joke. A Riddle. A riddle that has stumped this young man, because he is book smart and street dumb.

yeah, he was definitely being a smartass

Geordi can't think inside of his head. He has to wrestle with every thought he has out loud, like a 4 year old or a monkey. The show needs exposition, so this is just how it's done, where they made him autistic, otherwise TNG would have just been a 15 minute silent movie where super competent geniuses get their shit done.

 

[Skipper]

She was predisposed to think the worst of Geordi, and the holodeck simulation simply gave her one more reason to do so.

I notice people keep forgetting the romantic dinner Geordi had deceived Leah into inviting her to, pretending it was a work meeting. It was practically an ambush.

And how Geordi continued to lie, claiming he was only looking for Leah's "friendship."

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I notice people keep forgetting the romantic dinner Geordi had deceived Leah into inviting her to, pretending it was a work meeting. It was practically an ambush.

And she was never forced to stay at that dinner, when she wanted to leave she was able to.

He was laying it on thick to get in her good graces, yes. But there was nothing sordid or inappropriate about it. He thought he knew what she'd like and never made any attempt to force her to stay and was certainly never touchy feely.

It was misguided but far from an ambush.

 

[Skipper]

And she was never forced to stay at that dinner, when she wanted to leave she was able to.

He was laying it on thick to get in her good graces, yes. But there was nothing sordid or inappropriate about it. He thought he knew what she'd like and never made any attempt to force her to stay and was certainly never touchy feely.

It was misguided but far from an ambush.

Excuse me, are we supposed to appreciate Geordi for not physically forcing Leah to stay at the dinner?

We're setting the bar very low.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Excuse me, are we supposed to appreciate Geordi for not physically forcing Leah to stay at the dinner?

We're setting the bar very low.

It looked like a very well prepared meal.