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"Lost in Space" appreciation thread

I think this brought to mind for me the difference between Batman's camp, and Lost in Space's camp. Batman's camp tended to be fairly clever, and kind of intelligent, as least as intelligent as camp can be, but Lost in Space was just dumb. Even at it's campiest Batman at least seemed to be trying to still make some sense, but Lost in Space turned into just total nonsense when it hit it's campiest point.

LiS definitely could have done better in the scripting department... in finally watching some early season 1, they get a lot of basic and already-known stuff with outer space wrong, which proves your point indelibly and more. But some episodes clearly introduce or use something that other shows would be influenced by. LiS is definitely dumb a number of times, but I prefer "Visit to a Hostile Planet" over DS9's "Little Green Men".
 
LiS definitely could have done better in the scripting department... in finally watching some early season 1, they get a lot of basic and already-known stuff with outer space wrong, which proves your point indelibly and more. But some episodes clearly introduce or use something that other shows would be influenced by. LiS is definitely dumb a number of times, but I prefer "Visit to a Hostile Planet" over DS9's "Little Green Men".


Beware those Voltones
 
Lost in Space changed tone almost immediately. The first episode was as serious as it gets. Smith was downright terrifying under the lights and makeup. They started lightening him up quickly and he transforms over the first 5 episodes into someone who decides he needs the Robinson's, strikes up a friendship with Will, hides behind the ladies and starts his give and take with the robot. By episode 6, he was cowering behind the robot and scheming his way back home. He and the series made a turn about halfway through the season as the series embraced more fantasy and Harris started stealing the spotlight. Camp hit in the first season with Space Croppers - the Hillbillies in Space episode.

You hit all of the other changes well and it was one of the few Irwin Allen series to fluctuate so wildly from grim space family adventure into outsight comedy and then a mix of the two.

Where Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea maintained it's straight faced approach. No matter how the actual focus changed (from spies to SF to monsters every other week), the show was always played straight (maybe two episode could be considered intentional comedies).

Now I'm wanting to check out "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"

Lost in Space leaned into the absurdity and stripped the series of whatever credibility it had. By the time they reintroduced serious adventure, it was still outsized, and by then the cast was over it. I loved Guy Williams, but by the third season, he was pretty much barking all of his dialog. Always fun were Mark Goddard's near homicidal rages at Smith that season. Not totally convinced Goddard was acting there.

IMHO it lost a lot by episode 2 when setting up peril regarding... the heat of a comet. Headcanoning "meteor" or something probably helps, but to be a fly on the wall in the writers' room.

But Goddard's chances to chew scenery when barking in rage at Smith never cease to entertain. Also, LOL if Goddard was channeling something more direct than not, hehe...

A fun show, but for me a full third to half is unwatchable bad children's theater.

Pretty much. Check the brain at the door and there's some fun to be had. At times. For being unwatchable, a couple episodes become unforgettable the moment you sit through them: The carrot episode is as heinous as it is infamous, but may have influenced the more effective Vervoids... but that hippie episode is atrocious. The repeated not-hippie music was bad, misplaced and unevenly handled motivations, cliches up to their antennae, and you'd think that Penny's indoctrination scene would have used silhouettes of go-go boys to counter Will's go-go gals (based on 1960s mores). Cheesy or not, the indoctrination scenes piecemeal still have a suitable creepy factor. But creepy for very different reasons was watching Smith wearing a wig that was surely a deliberate choice to mock the hippies with (albeit with the usual misplaced mannerisms the episode was stumbling with everywhere else.)

I preferred the later season version of the theme song which was a bit boppier.

:)

The Jupiter 2 will be one of my favourite TV spaceships alongside the Enterprise and the fighters from Buck Rogers. I always liked that design.

It definitely looks marvelous, especially when using a "flying saucer" motif.

The Buck Rogers fighters and BSG vipers do beg questions about, shall we say, the untold realities of going to the bathroom, but they do look cool. Just don't think too much about the episode where Buck had to have opened the hatch - in outer space - to bring in Twiki to sit right behind him.

The Netflix series was the best version of this just a shame you can't get all 3 seasons as a set

Will have to look that up. I wonder if it was sold as a set in other countries and requiring a multi-region player?

The first 10 episodes was all I really need to watch it was a little more serious and Smith was downright homicidal in the first few episodes using the robot as a bargaining chip by threatening to crush a helmet with someone's head in it. I thought that line was quite dark and menacing.

Yeah, in rewatching, Smith is quite vile. But I do feel Harris was right in edging the role more as a bumbler (who ends up becoming Flanderized nonetheless). His character wouldn't have lasted and I don't think the show itself would have lasted very long either; I doubt they would have had an arc where he genuinely becomes good, and the other issue of longevity of the show's format would also remain.
 
Beware those Voltones

Yeah, some of the dialogue was a little cornball*, but then I recall all the earlobe-rubbing and a character doing a huge fourth-wall dump about Trek's MO and TOS's opening monologue** and that took me out of the DS9 episode even more than it using the five-millionth new way to conveniently introduce time travel to get to the plot.
* But a lot of people took the 1938 War of the Worlds radio play as an actual event at the time, that's how good Orson Welles was - but to be fair, had anyone tuned in even a few seconds late to miss the opening disclaimer that the following broadcast was a just load of cattle, then it's understandable they might be heading into a misunderstanding in one of the few ways even Three's Company didn't poke at.​
** Verbatim from the transcript (the character Garland had stated): Imagine the possibilities! Who knows what they could teach us? A few years from now, mankind could have rocket ships of our own! We could travel the galaxy, exploring new worlds and new civilizations!
 
Will have to look that up. I wonder if it was sold as a set in other countries and requiring a multi-region player?


As far as I can tell season 1 of the Netflix version is the only one you can get as a set, which is really a shame.

BTW the episode "Visit to a hostile planet" well hey Judy tied up in a barn . Ok well there's that
 
Now I'm wanting to check out "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"

I caution when I recommend shows like Voyage because you really have to be someone who likes that sort of thing. It starts out as a dry (pun intended) SF/espionage series that takes itself very seriously. The first batch of episodes are exemplary and a few have some real SF and TV cred attached. But it gets to be a bit super serious and the background scores settle into these slow funeral cues, as one website called them. Not saying it's not good stuff, most fans prefer the first season, but I always gravitate to the second year. The series bursts into color and it's a show that really benefits from that change. They give us one of the best SF vehicles on TV with the Flying Sub. The show has more action, livelier background scores and is a great mix of more peppy spy yarns, sci-fi and supernatural. This, for me is Voyage at its best. Year three does settle into a "monster of the week" formula, but there are still some real gems in there. Season 4 scales back the monsters a but, much like LIS year 3 went back to adventure, but by the end of the season - and the series - things get really cheap again as Irwin always did his more obvious budget saves in the back 9 episodes.

Still, I love all 4 seasons and defend them all. Hey it was the most successful non-anthology SF series of the 60's with 110 episodes. And it has Richard Basehart in the lead role. He makes it work.

IMHO it lost a lot by episode 2 when setting up peril regarding... the heat of a comet. Headcanoning "meteor" or something probably helps, but to be a fly on the wall in the writers' room.

If you're watching an Irwin Allen series looking for scientific accuracy, you're doing it wrong. :rommie:

Irwin tended to berate his writers individually. Not much of a "writer's room" to my knowledge. Take the assignment, go write it, bring it back, his story editors give feedback, send it to Irwin and he slashes to make sure it it fits the budget, gives some cursory comments that are fairly meaningless and the show gets done. This ain't Star Trek...

but that hippie episode is atrocious. The repeated not-hippie music was bad, misplaced and unevenly handled motivations, cliches up to their antennae, and you'd think that Penny's indoctrination scene would have used silhouettes of go-go boys to counter Will's go-go gals (based on 1960s mores). Cheesy or not, the indoctrination scenes piecemeal still have a suitable creepy factor. But creepy for very different reasons was watching Smith wearing a wig that was surely a deliberate choice to mock the hippies with (albeit with the usual misplaced mannerisms the episode was stumbling with everywhere else.)

The best scenes for me were the moments when John had to tell the kids he only had one child and they leave with Judy. That had to hit some kids pretty hard.

The Buck Rogers fighters and BSG vipers do beg questions about, shall we say, the untold realities of going to the bathroom, but they do look cool.

They all do though. Explosive decompression helps.

Just don't think too much about the episode where Buck had to have opened the hatch - in outer space - to bring in Twiki to sit right behind him.

I just figured there was a separate sealed off underside hitch with a grapple and Buck hauled him in and Twiki pivoted up into place.


Yeah, in rewatching, Smith is quite vile. But I do feel Harris was right in edging the role more as a bumbler (who ends up becoming Flanderized nonetheless). His character wouldn't have lasted and I don't think the show itself would have lasted very long either; I doubt they would have had an arc where he genuinely becomes good, and the other issue of longevity of the show's format would also remain.
The network had something to say about it as well. They didn't want the kids in danger from a murderer every week so they wanted the series lighter. Harris, CBS and Irwin all contributed to the watering down of the series. Once Batman was directly opposite them on the schedule, the move to comedy was the only way they survived.

BTW the episode "Visit to a hostile planet" well hey Judy tied up in a barn . Ok well there's that
Will was tied up in the barn. Judy was lassoed behind a building while getting apples with Penny. ;)
 
I preferred the later season version of the theme song which was a bit boppier.

The Jupiter 2 will be one of my favourite TV spaceships alongside the Enterprise and the fighters from Buck Rogers. I always liked that design.

The Netflix series was the best version of this just a shame you can't get all 3 seasons as a set

Totally agree on all points.
 
I was a big fan of the original and watched it a lot as a kid. I think it pre-dates my Star Trek watching which began with TNG in 1987.

I didn't hate the movie at the time! I'm not sure how either would hold up now though.

I couldn't get on with the Netflix one. It had potential but it was just them falling into a hole, getting out of it, then falling into another hole. And as they won't kill the main cast that gets boring quickly as there's no danger.

This post is timely as I found out yesterday that John Williams composed the original theme tune! Never knew that...
 
OK that actually sounds a bit worse
It's not bad. A country bumpkin gets the rope around her while Penny runs for help. Nobody's hurt. Then John and Don come back and save her. All routine for the Robinsons. But Marta Kristin actually gets a nice scene for a change. This is a pretty solid episode, really. A mix of adventure and comedy - comedy mostly coming from the idiot Mayberry-style cast offs and Smith who takes advantage of them.

Oddly, we never see the J2 return to their present at the end.

Visit to a Hostile Planet is one of the episodes I discovered after a decade long drought of Lost in Space airings. I only remembered the second season and mostly hideous episodes. When I caught an episode airing on a PBS station without commercials direct from 16mm films, they had the preview for this one. And it looked amazing. I was eating this one up when I saw it.


I didn't hate the movie at the time! I'm not sure how either would hold up now though.

Other than the blarp effects, which were always terrible, it still looks good. Some of it, like the really pushy way Matt LeBlanc's Don West comes onto Judy has zero charm at this point (it was funnier then), but the movie is still pretty good, I loved it in 1998 and was surprised how many fans hated it.

I couldn't get on with the Netflix one. It had potential but it was just them falling into a hole, getting out of it, then falling into another hole. And as they won't kill the main cast that gets boring quickly as there's no danger.
I wanted to love it, but it was also a departure from the original in that they weren't an isolated family in space, but part of a lost colony and the spent a lot of that time among those people. The first season was pretty good, I wasn't as impressed with the second and I never got through the third.

This post is timely as I found out yesterday that John Williams composed the original theme tune! Never knew that...
Yeah, he did both season's themes and four early episode scores and they're all fantastic.

The Reluctant Stowaway
Island in the Sky
The Hungry Sea
My Friend, Mr. Nobody (a particularly beautiful score)

He also did the theme and pilot score to the Time Tunnel and the two themes and aired pilot score for Land of the Giants.

He even did music for Gilligan's Island - the unaired pilot (whose music was tracked later) and one more episode in the first season.
 
I just remembered something really cool about "visit to a hostile planet"

At the start of the episode John notes the cars and realizes the time period they landed in is 1947..

Cut to just before the end as the Jupiter 2 is leaving the town's power is coming back on and we see someone making a phone call describing the ship as two saucers on top of each other, a flying saucer.

I thought those very neat details to include in the episode which tied the Robinsons loosely with the Roswell incident. Also interesting that their ship knocked out the town power.
 
I just remembered something really cool about "visit to a hostile planet"

At the start of the episode John notes the cars and realizes the time period they landed in is 1947..

Cut to just before the end as the Jupiter 2 is leaving the town's power is coming back on and we see someone making a phone call describing the ship as two saucers on top of each other, a flying saucer.

I thought those very neat details to include in the episode which tied the Robinsons loosely with the Roswell incident. Also interesting that their ship knocked out the town power.
I'd love to say that was intentional, and maybe I'm giving writer Peter Packer too much credit, but from what I understand he was a well read writer. But I've found no evidence of it.

Cool Star Trek connection: Robert Pine played "Craig." While Pine is best know for his role on CHiPs, he's also the dad of Chris Pine who, as we all know, played JTK in the Bad Robot movies.

IMHO, Camp and farce can be fun - I adored 'Batman '66' before it suffered from its own effect and became too superficial for its own good (early~mid season 2)
The first season of Batman is incredible - almost comic genius and ahead of its time. Sadly, as you say, it collapsed under its own weight and went from true camp to satire. And not very well done satire. The episodes and the movie written by Lorenzo Semple Jr were truly the series at its best. Still, the series is a wonderful trip back to joyful afternoons after school, when the torture of bullying was done for the day and I could unwind with fantasy that got me away from my daily school year travails.

The Green Hornet, though, was played nearly totally straight and for my money much more entertaining without the benefit of nostalgia.
 
Hated the LiS movie overall, though Smith was played as properly irredeemably evil. Lacy Chabert's whiny, screechy, spoiled-brat take on Penny made me hate Lacy Chabert forever, and killed any desire to watch the movie again.

I enjoyed the Netflix series for what it was. My only major quibbles would be that the robot was not a human invention, but alien in nature - that lessens our (humankind's) perceived inventiveness; and that Don's character was minimized and played for laughs. A minor quibble is that Maureen was previously married, and I really don't know why that bothers me. Maybe it was that the TOS family was so cliche squeaky-clean middle-American nuclear-family perfect, having such a real-world situation was a bit jarring.
 
I liked the movie?

But I was also 10 and LIS was my first awareness of an old tv show being remade as a fast-moving action movie, so I found that interesting. And the (blue) robot was cool.

Flashforward another decade and Star Trek basically did the same thing.
 
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