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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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I do wonder what the commentators mean when they say Axanar is what Trek should be. Like, do they want documentary-style storytelling? More than likely they're just happy to see ships and costumes from their childhood, with little thought to the actual story being told by Peters.
There’s a certain formality (to coin a phrase) to pre-2009 Star Trek. Professionalism, verisimilitude, competency porn, call it what you will (and by ENT it had ossified into a sort of pervasive stiff awkwardness). The formalism in the dialog (when it was done well) gave Trek a sense of timelessness. There was an attention to detail, both in terms of procedures and production that made the setting feel more real. Axanar (and most fan works, by definition) prioritizes what’s come before in a way that rewards familiarity with the franchise and active viewing. From a certain perspective, doing the opposite punishes paying attention.

Like, SNW has had flashbacks to events during and before DSC. You’d expect Starfleet characters to be wearing DSC uniforms and holding DSC props, especially since DSC established that the TOS-inspired styles were brand new. And yet, every time, they use the same costumes and props they use normally, without making any effort to call back to the prior show, to give that frisson of recognition to the audience.

TNG did it, breaking out the uncomfortable season 1/2 uniforms for flashbacks and photos showing that era. Even TOS, which didn’t really have bandwidth to do something like that lucked into it by showing “The Cage” as a flashback, and giving civilian characters the lasers from the pilot instead of normal hand phasers, introducing a little more depth to the setting.

Even just boiler-plate dialog, like a “medical team to the transporter room” after beaming up someone who’s been injured is elided (if you give the benefit of the doubt) or overlooked (if you don’t) as a matter of course.

Axanar emulates a Star Trek argot very well, and that idiom is out of style in current media, where the fashion for the last couple decades has swung hard into the quippy and informal, even for stories about, say, highly trained, highly regimented experts doing a difficult job where they need to keep their heads on straight. I saw a post a few weeks ago about a teenager seeing the beginning of “The Fellowship of the Ring” and being surprised and disoriented that the opening narration didn’t have any sort of joke or puncturing of the narrative gravity, just because ironic detachment and subversion has become so ubiquitous. You literally can’t be serious nowadays.

I’m no hater, I like a lot about a lot of Trek from the last decade and a half, but most of it is absolutely missing that special something. I’ve suggested sending Trek writers on a sail training course as a team-building and research exercise, just to help it sink in that living on and crewing a ship isn’t just like bullshitting around with your buddies in the living room, and they need to develop a sense of when to take things seriously and how to transport the audience outside their everyday world to that kind of environment, with all its little specific quirks that make it feel distinctive yet still realistic.
 
and by ENT TNG it had ossified into a sort of pervasive stiff awkwardness
Fixed that for you.


and they need to develop a sense of when to take things seriously and how to transport the audience outside their everyday world to that kind of environment, with all its little specific quirks that make it feel distinctive yet still realistic.
Just read Space Cadet and Starship Troopers.
 
Aside from the Ares, all the Fed ship designs in Axanar are lifted from Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness. Prelude recreated/remixed CG sequences from those movies (the Vengeance crash, the Enterprise rising above the clouds etc) and functioned as Tobias Richter's sizzle reel.

It says a lot about Axanar die-hards' critical thinking skills.
 
There’s a certain formality (to coin a phrase) to pre-2009 Star Trek. Professionalism, verisimilitude, competency porn, call it what you will (and by ENT it had ossified into a sort of pervasive stiff awkwardness). The formalism in the dialog (when it was done well) gave Trek a sense of timelessness. There was an attention to detail, both in terms of procedures and production that made the setting feel more real. Axanar…

I was somewhat with you until this point.
 
It’s all about the window dressing from their childhood. They don’t really care about the substance, it’s all about the form.

Thing is, Continues did the form better, years ago, and coupled with half decent stories too. Axanar likes to act like they're the only ones keeping the flame alive but the reality is they're a day late and a lot of people's dollars short.
 
Normally I would actually be interested in a documentary about this kind of thing. But the level of self-aggrandizing that is likely to come out of this...oof. I doubt I could stomach it for long.
 
I do wonder what the commentators mean when they say Axanar is what Trek should be.
It means they have no taste.

More than likely they're just happy to see ships and costumes from their childhood, with little thought to the actual story being told by Peters.
That is exactly it.

Star Trek is Burger King, and when they buy a Whopper they want one just like the one they bought ten years ago.

They're also annoyed that the prices have increased.
 
That is exactly it.

Star Trek is Burger King, and when they buy a Whopper they want one just like the one they bought ten years ago.

They're also annoyed that the prices have increased.

:shifty:
 
It means they have no taste.


That is exactly it.

Star Trek is Burger King, and when they buy a Whopper they want one just like the one they bought ten years ago.

They're also annoyed that the prices have increased.
After nearly ten years I recently had a Whopper and it was far better than it used to be. Juicier patty, fresher veggies, FAR better bread. I was shocked. It’s almost as big an improvement over “the good old days” as SNW is over Berman-era Trek (not that I didn’t enjoy it, just that it doesn’t hold a candle to SNW).
 
After nearly ten years I recently had a Whopper and it was far better than it used to be. Juicier patty, fresher veggies, FAR better bread. I was shocked. It’s almost as big an improvement over “the good old days” as SNW is over Berman-era Trek (not that I didn’t enjoy it, just that it doesn’t hold a candle to SNW).
I miss having a BK close by.
 
After nearly ten years I recently had a Whopper and it was far better than it used to be. Juicier patty, fresher veggies, FAR better bread. I was shocked. It’s almost as big an improvement over “the good old days” as SNW is over Berman-era Trek (not that I didn’t enjoy it, just that it doesn’t hold a candle to SNW).

You're in Canada. Here they are dried out patties and moldy bread.
 
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