In most instances, when a follow up is done, it is its own story. Its own thing.
Evidence of SNW being a possible alternate timeline from TOS
In most instances, when a follow up is done, it is its own story. Its own thing.
I agree. I wish they were more readily available but the people in charge believe that it is more profitable for updated effects. That new audiences will not have interest in a 1960s show with 1960s effects. Those who want them know where to find them. I don’t like it but that’s the reality.
Not in serial fiction like TV shows, books and comic books. .
Do we have any that picked up a series as a prequel, after sixty years and tried to present it as all the same?
The nurse role would have joined the yeoman role as an "actress of the week" position if Barrett weren't who she was? For that matter, why wasn't she cast as Kirk's yeoman?
Does it matter how long the gap was? Seems like a goal post got shifted. Roy Thomas' Invaders and All-Star Squadron series picks up on Golden Age Marvel and DC continuity some thirty years after the fact. Asimov returned to his Foundation series also thirty years later in sequels and prequels (and made changes). The James Bond book series was revived in the 1980s and set in the same continuity as the Fleming books. I'm sure there are more.
Hell, there's a far bigger storytelling as well as visual discrepancy between Superman II and Superman Returns. The same universe. Same Superman. Five years after Supes defeats Zod and the other Kryptonians and saves the planet. But made 25 years later and with a new creative team that did its own thing.
But same continuity, even if you have to dig around a little to notice the roots. SNW and TOS line up far better than those movies do.
But same continuity, even if you have to dig around a little to notice the roots. SNW and TOS line up far better than those movies do.
Yeah, I would think so. The world and everything about us are totally different than they were sixty years ago.
I've taken quite the beating and am calling it a night.
I definitely took note of the computers and cell phones in Superman Returns considering that in Superman II they were using typewriters and landlines. Never took me out of the story. The script did that.
5 years.
Damn, Supes, HOW MUCH DID YOU CHANGE THE TIMELINE WHEN YOU TURNED THE EARTH BACK.
Damn, Supes, HOW MUCH DID YOU CHANGE THE TIMELINE WHEN YOU TURNED THE EARTH BACK.
Why? Especially in a fictional world set in the future? Star Trek isn't not should not ever be a period piece. Do current TOS novels read like something from the 1960s?Yeah, I would think so. The world and everything about us are totally different than they were sixty years ago.
I've taken quite the beating and am calling it a night.
Same. TOS is the best era.
Exactly. Nothing is lost of the original. They can still be watched if people want to. People can just treat as an alternative timeline, which had multiple extremely easy outs inside Star Trek even before SNW aired.
But, no. The argument persists because...
Because for some reason for some people it isn't enough that they can consider something an alternate timeline it must be an official declaration so other people are not allowed to treat it as being in the same timeline.
Which is why making new shows set in the TOS era that closely resemble TOS would make no fucking sense.Yeah, I would think so. The world and everything about us are totally different than they were sixty years ago.
I've taken quite the beating and am calling it a night.
I have critical thinking skills. Not sure how thinking SNW doesn't fit in with tos is considered a lack of critical thinking.
It's not particularly uncommon in superhero comic books for one writer to retcon another writer's story from 20-30 years before.
Two instances I can think of off the top of my head: The character of Terra (a 15-16 year old minor) was an evil traitor in a consensual sexual relationship with the villain Deathstroke the Terminator in the New Teen Titans storyline "The Judas Contract" in the 1980s. In 2021's The Other History of the DC Universe, writer John Ridley said that Deathstroke manipulated & trafficked Terra, which was most decidedly NOT what Marv Wolfman and George Perez's original story showed.
And over at Marvel, Steve Englehart did a storyline in the 1980s where the West Coast Avenger Mockingbird let the western "hero" Phantom Rider fall to his death after he drugged, manipulated and raped her. This led to the end of her marriage with Hawkeye. Then in a 2016 Mockingbird miniseries, writer Chelsea Cain changed it so that Bobbi Morse simply cheated on Clint, and the drugging, etc. was simply a lie that Hawkeye told himself to save face. (I don't know if they ever explained why she let the Phantom Rider fall to his death, then.) The new story said this even though we saw most of what the Phantom Rider did to Mockingbird on panel.
I can't think of any.
I've said before updates to the TOS sets would be ok. But im.talking more in the line with what they did to the bridge on the episide Im A Mirror Darkly. Basically update the graphics on the screen and have the winky blinky panels be screen savers and work as touch screens. They could update the corridors by having them the same size and build but using shiny material like they used in SNW. Basically enough upgrades to make it more updated for today's tech. But not so much where the classic look os gone. Im SNW the enterprise is more luxurious, larger and in some ways more advancef than the D. They incorporated Kelvin tech into the enterprise like the window view screen. The quarters are much much bigger. Pike has a fireplace. Connies in pike and kirks era didnt have huge quarters for the crew even the captain. That was mentioned in DS9. But now it has bigger crew quarters rivaling or surpassing the D. A much bigger 10 forward style lounge than the D. They just went way too far with the changes im my opinion.
The Cage establishes the crew compliment as 203 (which is kept consistent in Discovery). TOS revises that number to 430. The ship remains the same size, so it stands to reason the increase in crew compliment translates to subdividing the larger cabins to the smaller ones we later see in TOS. Even Pike's quarters in The Cage is larger than Kirk's, so there's even more evidence, and that's not even taking SNW into account.
There, easily explained using the visual and audio evidence we've got.
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In what way?
It's almost like it it aren't that hard.
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