Evidence of SNW being a possible alternate timeline from TOS

[Yistaan]

So the show can't stand on its own just with the writing and acting?

If a show is good then it will drown out the continuity errors. I'm not saying SNW is bad. But perhaps the writing and acclaim isn't enough to push it beyond continuity playground fights.

Andor stomped on even the Disney Star Wars canon quite a bit. It's hard to take Cassian seriously in Rogue One now when he screams "I've been in this fight since I was six years old!" He also claims being imprisoned is "new to me" in Rogue One, when Andor clearly shows otherwise. Let's not get into Senator Organa in Season 2 looking nothing like he does elsewhere. Dedra Meero claims to have been raised in an Imperial kinderblock when her age and the timeline would put her childhood before the Empire even formed! K-2SO's origin also infamously steamrolled a "canon" SW comic.

The show's so good that Star Wars fans, who arguably are even more nitpicky and petty than Trek fans in regards to continuity, wouldn't even dare criticize it over these continuity errors.

I certainly have not heard about Andor being an alternate timeline even in regards to the K-2SO origin thing (and yeah, time travel is a thing in SW now thanks to Rebels)

 

[Dukhat]

Now, you may not like the official situation, and you may decide that you have your own 'head canon' or 'fanon' to take its place. That's fine. We all have our imagined preferences. However, when it comes to studio policy, there's the prime timeline, comprising of all the TV shows, and all but three movies (namely the Kelvin timeline movies). That's it.

I think we're all aware of all that. And it's not really about that. It's about people who have their own opinion about a fake fictitious tv show which other people feel the need to obsessively-compulsively point out as wrong.

 

[DarthTimon]

I think we're all aware of all that. And it's not really about that. It's about people who have their own opinion about a fake fictitious tv show which other people feel the need to obsessively-compulsively point out as wrong.

There is an issue with that, which I have experienced, more than once.

 

[Dukhat]

There is an issue with that, which I have experienced, more than once.

I myself have even done some of that in the past. But my opinion nowadays is that if CBS is going to play fast and loose with 'canon,' then I don't have to take it all that seriously, because they sure aren't.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Canon-shmanon. The current era takes canon as seriously as the Roddenberry did. Roddenberry himself once said that when they were making these things he had no idea that people were going to be sitting in front of the television with the pad of paper and a pencil writing down all the incidental details.

 

[Campe]

I don’t feel that Trek should ever be taken that seriously.

 

[Yistaan]

Canon was only taken seriously when Bill Shatner was talking about a return back in the Kelvin movie days and they were like "He's dead"

 

[Turtletrekker]

I don’t feel that Trek should ever be taken that seriously.

Right. It's not history, it's legend. Legends have contradictions. And the Star Trek legendarium is far more consistent than the legends of old.

 

[fireproof78]

You have an "escape route" with SNW strongly implying that everything after Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow is an alternate timeline. If you're going to focus on continuity errors, maybe focus on ones SNW did before then? That said, I think Spock did mind meld with La'an even in S1, but maybe Spock considered La'an an augment and not a human.

You have an escape route with First Contact leading to ENTERPRISE because ENTERPRISE doesn't fit TOS/TAS at all.

The show's so good that Star Wars fans, who arguably are even more nitpicky and petty than Trek fans in regards to continuity, wouldn't even dare criticize it over these continuity errors.

I absolutely would but Cassian is a dull character so not worth the argument.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Nothing in "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" pointed towards an alternate timeline (Mirror Universe / Kelvin Universe etc), but rather an altered timeline (City on the Edge of Forever, First Contact, Past Tense, Picard season 2).

Some like to say that that is a negligible point, when it's clearly not. Star Trek has very clearly and distinctly established differences between alternate and altered timelines. Alternate timelines are separate things that exist regardless of what happens in the prime timeline. Altered timelines have changes that are confined to within the one, prime, timeline.

 

[BillJ]

Altered timelines have changes that are confined to within the one, prime, timeline.

But that still means what we are experiencing now is different from what we were experiencing then. That they are rewriting the TOS timeframe.

A difference that makes no difference…

 

[Turtletrekker]

But that still means what we are experiencing now is different from what we were experiencing then. That they are rewriting the TOS timeframe.

A difference that makes no difference…

It actually does, but I'm not going to have this circular argument with you again.

 

[BillJ]

It actually does, but I'm not going to have this circular argument with you again.

The entirety of the TrekBBS is built on circular arguments.

 

[DarthTimon]

The entirety of the TrekBBS is built on circular arguments.

The entirety of sci-fi fandom is built on circular arguments

 

[Firebird]

Or they weren't going to let one little line from an episode 60 years ago get in the way of a good story.

Remember how the plot to “The Enemy Within” is completely negated just a few episodes later by the introduction of the Shuttlecraft in “The Galileo Seven?”

Why do fans not express outrage over the addition of shuttle pods in Enterprise by the same token? Clearly, that’s a canon violation!

 

[Hellbird]

An altered timeline keeps things legitimate, i.e part of the continuity that somebody cares about.

An alternate timeline has the unfortunate side effect of diminishing it, treating the story as expendable.

They are functionally very similar, but I can see why one is favoured by SNW fans due to the connotations of the other.

 

[BillJ]

An altered timeline keeps things legitimate, i.e part of the continuity that somebody cares about.

If you’re cutting out the heart of the product (which TOS is to me) it very much isn’t the same continuity.

 

[Firebird]

If you’re cutting out the heart of the product (which TOS is to me) it very much isn’t the same continuity.

But how exactly is the heart of TOS being cut out?

 

[Turtletrekker]

But how exactly is the heart of TOS being cut out?

Spoiler alert: it's not.

 

[Campe]

Yeah, I can get being frustrated by details being changed bothering some. But no one is destroying TOS. Adding texture? Sure. But I still really don’t think anything major (save the visuals) can’t be explained away.