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Star City | Apple TV (Spoilers)

I'm not sure if any exact dates were given in this episode or the prior one, but in FAM, Apollo 15, the first American mission with a female astronaut, where ice was discovered on the moon, launched in mid-October 1971, which means we're at least a month before that in Star City (which counts against my idea that they were hiding the international fallout of the Venus mission, whatever the results were, in the time skip between Apollo 15 and the establishment of Jamestown Base). It also seems to imply that the Soviets kind of let the US win the "race for the base" by turning their space program over to the KGB. But, then, a element in this show that's pretty common in stories about the Soviet Union in general is that the KGB thinks its existence is the purpose of the nation, and everything everyone else did was just so KGB officers would have little fiefdoms to spy on and boss around.
 
I'm not sure if any exact dates were given in this episode or the prior one, but in FAM, Apollo 15, the first American mission with a female astronaut, where ice was discovered on the moon, launched in mid-October 1971, which means we're at least a month before that in Star City (which counts against my idea that they were hiding the international fallout of the Venus mission, whatever the results were, in the time skip between Apollo 15 and the establishment of Jamestown Base). It also seems to imply that the Soviets kind of let the US win the "race for the base" by turning their space program over to the KGB. But, then, a element in this show that's pretty common in stories about the Soviet Union in general is that the KGB thinks its existence is the purpose of the nation, and everything everyone else did was just so KGB officers would have little fiefdoms to spy on and boss around.

Yeah, other than the premiere, Star City seems to be surviving in the time jumps in Season 1 of FAMK. Most of the season takes place whilst Nixons Women are in training whilst the final two seems to take place during the Apollo 15 training.

SC1.01 - 26th June to 20th Sept '69

FAMK1.01 - 26th June to 20th July '69
FAMK1.02 - 20th July to 20th Sept '69

SC1.02 - 20th Sept '69 - Late 1969
SC1.03 - 27th June '70 - Late July '70
SC1.04 - August '70
SC1.05 - August '70
SC1.06 - Late August '70


FAMK1.03 - 21st Sept '69 to 15th Oct '70

SC1.07 - Up to May '71
SC1.08 - ( May '71 )


FAMK1.04 - 15th Oct '70 to 18th Oct '71
 
Yeah, other than the premiere, Star City seems to be surviving in the time jumps in Season 1 of FAMK. Most of the season takes place whilst Nixons Women are in training whilst the final two seems to take place during the Apollo 15 training.

SC1.01 - 26th June to 20th Sept '69

FAMK1.01 - 26th June to 20th July '69
FAMK1.02 - 20th July to 20th Sept '69

SC1.02 - 20th Sept '69 - Late 1969
SC1.03 - 27th June '70 - Late July '70
SC1.04 - August '70
SC1.05 - August '70
SC1.06 - Late August '70


FAMK1.03 - 21st Sept '69 to 15th Oct '70

SC1.07 - Up to May '71
SC1.08 - ( May '71 )


FAMK1.04 - 15th Oct '70 to 18th Oct '71
Probably late May with this screen capture of the folder that contained the information that was dropped on Nikulov's desk, that he recognized as the Venera 7 signal.

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The dates in cursive Cyrillic appear to give the dates of the received data in the folder as being between 23 April and 14 May 1971.
 
I hadn't anticipated another time jump so close to the end of the season but the immediate reason was obvious: To allow enough time for The Chief Scientist, Sergei, Anastasia, Raskova, and Irina to firmly accept the new status quo...right before revealing that not only is someone still alive aboard Venera 7, their return is imminent.

I'm not sure how I feel about this revelation. Yes, their mission is still secret to the general public, but how on Earth will they be able to explain to at least NASA about the craft's sudden appearance in orbit nearby the Soviet space station? I'm obviously thinking in terms of what we know in For All Mankind because this isn't the kind of thing that could've gone unnoticed or unremarked.

But that's before getting to bigger issue, one I raised last week: How could anyone possibly survive an electricity-induced oxygen explosion within the ship? Not just the fact that all three of them were close to it, but also how all of their breathable oxygen is now gone. None of them were suited or close to any juncture to pressurize. Even they were, how would the be able to pressurize after Raskova forced the mission control engineer to depressurize the entire craft remotely and prevent the crew from having any control over that particular operation?

Of course, this will all be answered in the finale but I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to accept any and all of the explanations regarding these issues and any others I've forgotten.

As for the rest of the episode, I enjoyed watching the power struggles for everyone and I'm glad Irina is quickly learning how to position herself regardless of which way the wind is blowing. Not the direction I expected since I fully expected Petrovsky's plotting against Raskova to push Irina into a better position that Raskova didn't want for Irina, but this direction is more cunning and it certainly fits the road that Irina is on in For All Mankind.

I lamented poor Sergei's positional and intellectual exile. Even though we knew his hopes for a professorship weren't going anywhere, it still pained me to see them dashed so quickly and to have his colleague's potential death rest heavily on Sergei's conscience.
 
I felt like they were setting up how the fireball would’ve been survivable. The ship was being depressurized, so the air density was already being lowered, which might’ve smothered the fire quickly. There were multiple compartments they could seal off from each other. And as for recovering the air they lost, the whole reason Lakshmi was recruited was her revolutionary work with oxygen reclamation.
 
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Well...you might be onto something. I had forgotten about Lakshmi's expertise so the could work in their favor on the long run. I'm still not quite sold on them surviving the explosion but I'm more open to the idea now.
 
I felt like they were setting up how the fireball would’ve been survivable. The ship was being depressurized, so the air density was already being lowered, which might’ve smothered the fire quickly. There were multiple compartments they could seal off from each other. And as for recovering the air they lost, the whole reason Lakshmi was recruited was her revolutionary work with oxygen reclamation.
I hadn’t thought of any of these, so good thinking…
 
I felt like they were setting up how the fireball would’ve been survivable. The ship was being depressurized, so the air density was already being lowered, which might’ve smothered the fire quickly. There were multiple compartments they could seal off from each other. And as for recovering the air they lost, the whole reason Lakshmi was recruited was her revolutionary work with oxygen reclamation.

Sure but it's still stretching the imagination to have such a flash fire aboard a tiny spaceship and the crew, no matter how many, still surviving.

However a new, potentially dreadful. thought just popped up. Since we know nothing about the mission by way of FAM and the Soviet Union already written them officially as training accidents there is no way they can take them back publicly or let them return to their lives ( Valya double so as a traitor). Also assuming the americans are closely monitoring soviet space activity it should be highly likely they'll spot Venera 7 coming back, this can't be hidden.

How will the Soviets react to that and solve that problem? This will make for a very interesting season finale i guess.
 
I guess I'm the only one expecting the craft to be carrying only charred remains?

I might be a little confused. The chief designer mentions there is data or technology aboard the Venera craft that can be used to transmit video that would be useful to the Salyut spy missions. Next thing we know, Vrnera is on a return trajectory.

I was confused by Sergei Nikulov sudden discovery while being trapped in proverbial Siberia. Are these related? Did Raskova secretly get the spacecraft to return so that tech can be retrieved. Was it just coincidence?

I don't see how there could be anyone alive in Venera, nor capable of getting the craft back to Earth without ground control assistance. Even if they were able to produce enough oxygen, where would they get food and water? It's been 9 months since the "accident". Nobody is surviving that fireball, depleted oxygen, no food, nor water for that long.

What am I missing?
 
The ship was doing a flyby, so it was probably in a free-return trajectory that would bring it back to Earth after it swung around no matter what.

Korolev said that Salyut was using the same computers and radios as Venera, so they could theoretically be adapted to transmit pictures to Earth by radio (as was planned for the Venus mission) rather than physically dropping film. The show sometimes plays fast and loose with this sort of thing, but since there seemed to be hardly any time elapsed in the episode, I doubt they'd have time to actually switch over to transmitting photos rather than dropping them. I think it was more about seeding the idea that Salyut and Venera were using the same radio technology in the episode so the ending wasn't totally out of left field. There's no possible way Raskova could just reach out and snag a spaceship, nor any reason she would have to when she just learned to her space station already had everything she needed to solve her problem.

Sergei was apparently tasked with analyzing anomalies in Salyut's radio telemetry. All that math he was doing was figuring out that the interference was a second radio transmission on the same frequency, using the same encoding, which he realized had to be coming from Venera. The radio test was checking what Salyut was receiving on that frequency, so he could get a clean reading without Salyut's data drowning it out.

If the crew had enough time to extinguish the fire, I don't see why it would've destroyed their other consumables. They already had nine months' worth of food and water on-board, they don't have to "get" anything.
 
They already had nine months' worth of food and water on-board, they don't have to "get" anything.

Ah. If they were already stocked for that long, that's a plus. Depending on how many might be alive could extend the supplies farther.
 
That was a very thrilling finale. While I didn't like the show that much when it began, it did get better in the back half. I was on the edge of my seat watching Sasha and Lakshimi were trying to reach the finland border. I didn't really understand the Sergi and Chief Designer scene in the car. Who was the guy being tortured? Also, I didn't really understand the ending. That was Irina in France, right? Who was the black women who looked like she was tracking her? Also, they didn't say how far they advanced so it looked like at least 10 years, if that was Irina.
 
That was a very thrilling finale. While I didn't like the show that much when it began, it did get better in the back half. I was on the edge of my seat watching Sasha and Lakshimi were trying to reach the finland border. I didn't really understand the Sergi and Chief Designer scene in the car. Who was the guy being tortured? Also, I didn't really understand the ending. That was Irina in France, right? Who was the black women who looked like she was tracking her? Also, they didn't say how far they advanced so it looked like at least 10 years, if that was Irina.
The guy being tortured was someone who, unfortunately for him, looked like the Chief Designer.

The black woman in Paris, looks like the same KGB agent that tested Anastasia's loyalties while posing as a western intelligence agent in the episode A Bear on a Chain.

A Bear on a Chain 46m29s.jpg


Star City The Wolves 1H2M38S.jpg
 
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That was a very thrilling finale. While I didn't like the show that much when it began, it did get better in the back half. I was on the edge of my seat watching Sasha and Lakshimi were trying to reach the finland border. I didn't really understand the Sergi and Chief Designer scene in the car. Who was the guy being tortured? Also, I didn't really understand the ending. That was Irina in France, right? Who was the black women who looked like she was tracking her? Also, they didn't say how far they advanced so it looked like at least 10 years, if that was Irina.

Sergey and Chief Designer were taken away to be punished even more, by focusing on CD's wedding ring i think it was to show that maybe even his wife will be punished and that he'll likely never see her again. The stand in for CD was either an actor or knowing Raskova some poor sap, a prisoner likely, chosen to have the "honor" of serving the Soviet Nation by being forced to play a part in the ruse.

That was Tanya in France, being shadowed by some intelligence operative. It's likely they monitor her in case she's either a mole or maybe contacted by somene from the USSR.


I'm torn on the finale, it was as intense as expected but also had huge plot holes by breaking its own internal rules very liberally.

We are shown how the crew survived the fire and decompression, ok - i'll willingly suspend my disbelief there but it took some doing. Valya sacrificing himself to put Venera 7 back onto the trajectory was a boss move and perhaps the best outcome he could hope for considering he had no plan how to really end this with him coming out alive or not being tortured for eternity before execution. I liked the cross cuts to Lakshmi/Sasha and him descending, i was confused at first but it was well done. Valya ending up on the surface of Venus was a sight to see but the end was brutal as expected. I forget if it was mentioned but what was the point of that capsule in the first place, were they planning to send down instruments or an actual live person in which case it was always a one way mission for the cosmonaut chosen to go down there as the capsule has no way of ascending anymire. Was the Chief Designer always willing to sacrifice one of his Eagles?

So apart from the excting action parts the episode fell apart for me because they broke their own internal consistency and rules.

Everywhere you look people wer emaking choices that would end their careers, possibly even their lives just like you would go to the store picking up milk. Nikulov, CD and that other guy at ground control hatching a plan to get data to V7 - extremely risky and it blew up in their faces in the end ( i figure that guy from ground control will also be found out once they go over the logs).

Salyut crew, one of them an outright KGB man, killing their careers by launching Anstasia on their one and only escape craft just so she can rescue her husband? Come on, never gonna happen, especially not with a KGB guy onboad.

Anastasia perfectly hitting almost the right spot where everythng happens in the end? Yeah right.

Chief Designer once again defying the Soviet Union and still iiving? The USSR must have split personality disorder, being evil but also lenient at the same time.


For me the writing fell apart in this finale because they cornered themselves by wanting to put key figures in danger but have them all surive and even give them supposedly sweet moments but in the process disregarding everything they built in the season and what we know from actual history. They wanted to have one last personal and emotional scene between Sasha and Anastasia but in order to do so they come up with this bullshit Anastasis to the rescue plan from orbit event.

They can't kill Nikulov and CD because they still have a big role to play in FAM ( at least Nikulov) but write them into positions for which people who have done far less have been executed for.

The series started out rough for me but by the mid point got actually good but this finale killed the season for me, maybe even the show if it gets a second season at all, by taking the easy way out of corners they were responsible for themselves.

A D rating for me, maybe a C on a good day with a ton of suspension of disbelief.
 
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The guy being tortured was someone who, unfortunately for him, looked like the Chief Designer.

The black woman in Paris, looks like the same KGB agent that tested Anastasia's loyalties while posing as a western intelligence agent in the episode A Bear on a Chain.

Oh right, forgot about that scene. So the russians are onto her, that doesn't spell good for her. I doubt they'd go to any lengths to get her back to the USSR to stand trial and likely just kill her.

If the show gets a second season and they see a storyline for her maybe she'll be spared but i don't see much purpose in her character anymore now that Valya is dead, Sasha likely being disappeared and Irina set on her trajectory by Tanya's refusal to trust her.
 
Well i really enjoyed that episode and Star City as a whole. Yes it stretched things too far sometimes (but when hasn't the FAM-verse done that?) The final chase was a bit contrived but it was an exciting story and had a good emotional edge to it. Star City also continued the FAM tradition of a grisly death in space per season with Valya's unfortunate downsizing on Venus.

Has S2 been green lit yet? I am assuming it will concentrate on the moon base?
 
Phenomenal episode...albeit it with a bit of an absurd ending.

The season was clearly going to end in one particular manner: The perfect blending of scientific progress and espionage, and I thought the show delivered on that balance brilliantly. I love how Venera 7's successful landing depended entirely on Sergei and Anastasia's quite subterfuge of the Chief Scientist's calculations. The scientists, if for the briefest of moments, became the spies. If only the spies could appreciate the science of the mission instead of hyperfocusing on their unrelenting paranoia. If and when they learn the truth of Venera 7's survival, they certainly will not understand Valya's sacrifice.

My heart went out to Sergei and how easily he was manipulated into thinking the Chief Scientist was being tortured. For the viewer, it was an obvious ploy and I could tell right away that man wasn't the Chief Scientist. But in the heat of the moment with poor lighting, it's fully understandable how Sergei couldn't tell the difference. The Chief Scientist is right about Raskova (yet again!): This is what they do. I love how he didn't hold a grudge against Sergei and how he quickly reminded Sergei that their cruelty will never take away from what they achieved by sending people to Venus (regardless of their fates and the actual scientific success).

Putting aside my misgivings of the Venera 7 crew surviving, I loved watching them work the problem of the return, no matter how improbable, and I knew before even Valya did that he would make that ultimate sacrifice. But knowing that fate didn't make it an easier to behold, but I did love watching Venera 7's and the bathysphere lander's parallel reentries for that extra gut punch. I found it a bit unbelievable that Valya survived the crash but I'll allow it for the dramatic effect that he saw his success despite knowing he was about to die painfully.

...but then we got to that absurd ending. I appreciate the extra drama of Sasha and Lakshmi's race to escape immediate death from the KGB but it really stretched believability. Between Sasha and Lakshmi's mobility (which was even commented on earlier) to Anastasia's own quick reentry that just happened to land exactly (relatively speaking) where she needed to be at exactly the right time to Raskova's men not shooting Anastasia and Sasha right after they were trying (and shooting like Stormtroopers!) to kill Sasha and Lakshmi just moments before. The only good thing that came out of that whole sequence was the surprise twist how that one cosmonaut wasn't actually KGB.

Overall, an excellent season and I cannot wait for the next season. Hopefully we'll get confirmation on it soon.
 
So here’s a thought — once he came over, would Sergei Nikulov really have never told Margo about Venera?
 
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