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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I consider The Marvels to be peak MCU and I don't care what anyone says. I think Moon Knight was just okay, although I would still love to see another season. The only Guardians movie that I love without reservation is the first one. I consider Secret Invasion to be the nadir of the MCU, but I can appreciate that other people enjoy it. Eternals was just fine, but it would have been better served as a Disney Plus show because as a movie it was both overly stuffed and too long.

I agree that Daredevil Born Again season 1 was a step down from the Netflix show, but I think season 2 has more than recovered.
 
I think "Agatha All Along" is the most underrated MCU show or movie and "Back Panther" is the most over overrated. I still think it's good but it was never going to be able to live up to the hype surrounding it when it came out.
 
I think "Agatha All Along" is the most underrated MCU show or movie and "Back Panther" is the most over overrated. I still think it's good but it was never going to be able to live up to the hype surrounding it when it came out.

My big problem with Black Panther is the final act. Killmonger is an entirely compelling and complex antagonist until he ends up as a generic supervillain.
 
The first 2/3 of Black Panther is one of the best superhero movies ever made. The last 1/3 is rough. How to balance that out in an overall assessment is a tricky balance that's largely dependent on your personal preferences. For me, it's an upper middle of the pack mcu film. Maybe a bit overrated but nowhere near the most overrated while movies like Thor Ragnarok and Antman and the Wasp exist.

My all-time favorites at this point would be:

1. Werewolf by Night - The most awesome atmosphere and flair any Mcu story has ever had, plus one of the best performances from Bernal Garcia.

2. Shang-Chi - My favorite action comedy of all time (Simu and Awkwafina work brilliantly together), gorgeous choreography, gorgeous cgi, beautiful character work.

3. Multiverse of Madness - By far the best mcu film when it comes to making magic feel actually magical, a fantastically unique character arc for Strange and a tour de force villain performance from Olsen.

4. Spider-man Homecoming - My previous favorite action comedy of all time, the perfect blend of Superhero movie and High School movie, a great ending and one of the best villain scenes of all time.

5. Avengers Endgame - Arguably not the best Avengers movie but the most perfect encapsulation of the Avengers series. Really nothing can ever truly compare to the scale and satisfaction of the closure this movie is able to create because of its completely unique circumstances.

6. Wakanda Forever - Sad and beautiful, equal of the first Black Panther but with a much stronger third act.

7. Captain America Civil War - The best individual movie out of Marvel's best individual series, amazing action, incredible character work between Steve, Tony and Bucky as well as for T'Challa and Zemo is still one of the best villains in the genre.

8. Captain Marvel - I didn't actually love this one at first but it has gotten better for me every time I watch it. It has an almost Bolero like narrative structure which feels very strange and unorthodox and definitely doesn't shine on a first viewing but has really grown on me over time. It makes the moment of Carol's ultimate triumph so deeply satisfying when you can fully emotionally share in her realization that this power was hers all along and she just had to break through all those different layers of mental and emotional manipulation to finally unlock it.

9. Captain America The Winter Soldier - This seems to be the one mcu film that just about everyone really loves, so it hardly even needs explanation. But I love it for the action, the depth it adds to Steve's character and what is clearly the best use of Captain America as a symbol in the mcu. It's also probably the best role Nat/Scarjo has had in the mcu.

10. Deadpool and Wolverine - This one is almost neck and neck with eleven and twelve. There's just something about the way Jackman plays his character arc of regaining his animus and genuinely falling in platonic love with Wade that really elevates the film. So much so that the two of them sacrificing themselves together to the strains of Like a Prayer while their shirts explode - despite being one of the dumbest ideas imaginable on paper - somehow becomes one of the most emotionally moving climaxes in the mcu.

Honorable mentions:

11. Guardians Vol III - This suffers a bit from the soundtrack failing to achieve the same flawless integration of the first two films, but it's easily the most mature and nuanced of the three and it takes a series defined by its incredible emotion and dials that up even further than before while perfectly landing one of the best multi-film character arcs in the mcu with Rocket.

12. Thunderbolts - A great and unique film and a surprisingly decent adaption of the Thunderbolts despite not actually including any classic TBolt characters or stories. Definitely one of the best MCU films narratively. The only reason it's not higher is because the action, visuals and cinematography don't really live up to the strength of the narrative and just feel very basic and work-a-day.

13. Guardians Vol I - A definite milestone in the MCU, one of the best integrated soundtracks in movie history and one of the most stylish superhero movies around but still with great emotion at its core.

14. Captain America The First Avenger - A fantastic period piece and possibly the best film we've ever gotten of a fully traditional superhero origin story.

15. Fantastic Four First Steps - A movie that did the seemingly impossible by making me actually love the F4 (all of them, all at the same time) as characters, while also creating a beautiful alternate history world and some of the most awesome space travel scenes in sci-fi history.
 
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My big problem with Black Panther is the final act. Killmonger is an entirely compelling and complex antagonist until he ends up as a generic supervillain.
The MCU always seems to have bad third acts. I also loved the Killmonger character. I feel like he carries the movie.
 
The movies I like but that just missed out on being classified as Favorites (again in Release order):

* Captain America: The First Avenger (the 1940s-set bulk of the story lays all the groundwork for the rest of Steve's actions throughout the course of his life, while the present-set Prologue and Epilogue are the perfect intro for The Avengers)

* Iron Man 3 (this one would've actually made my main list if I hadn't wanted to have Phases 1 to 5 all represented, because I love the twisty plot and the deepening of Tony and Pepper's relationship)

* Captain Marvel (as with IM3, this one just barely missed out on making my main list, but I love it because it kicks off what I genuinely believe is a fantastic arc that spans 3 other projects: Secret Invasion [which I will defend until I die], Ms. Marvel [which is one of my Favorite MCU TV projects], and the aforementioned The Marvels; Brie Larson is also fantastic as Carol and her interplay with Jude Law is top-notch)

* Black Widow (this one again just barely missed out on making my main list, and represents the best use of Natasha; the post-Civil War/pre-Infinity War setting also works no matter when one chooses to watch it, and the introductions of Yelena, Alexei, and Melina are perfectly timed to 'flow' into Hawkeye and then Thunderbolts/New Avengers even though there are months/years, by release, between it and the latter two projects)

* Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (it honestly took until this one for me to fully appreciate the Guardians of the Galaxy as characters despite liking the first movie more on Rewatch and appreciating that Vol. 2 started to introduce the Celestials in a more substantial way, and it all has to do with the choice to make Rocket the 'plot driver')
 

The layoffs did impact Marvel employees in both Burbank and New York, across most areas of the division – film and television production, along with comics, franchise, finance and legal.

TheWrap was told this was the result of an overall reduction in Marvel’s film and television production slate, artificially inflated in years past by the desire for fresh product for Disney+, plus efficiencies from the integration of Marvel Entertainment into Marvel Studios and the aforementioned emphasis on operational efficiency and cost management.
 
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That sucks.

My favorites at the moment:
I'm not going at really putting them in a specific order, and the list is rather fluid, so this could change if you ask me again tomorrow.
The First Avenger, a fun old school adventure that does a fantastic job of introducing Steve Rogers.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1: A great mixture of comedy and sci-fi
Captain Marvel: A outstanding introduction to one of my favorite Marvel characters
Multiverse of Madness: All of the multiverse stuff is a ton of fun, and Elizabeth Olson was fantastic as Wanda.
Shang Chi: As a huge Wuxia movie fan, I loved this combination of Wuxia and superheroes.
Ragnarok: Just a ton of fun
Avengers: Despite the issues that came up regarding Joss Whedon this is still a great movie.
The Winter Soldier: A great conspiracy thriller.
 
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i think i red on here that the new guy of the disney universe aka the boss of disney wants to increase the disney tourism aka make the disney theme parks great again and at the same time decrease some of the entertainment divisions of disney aka cut some of marvel and star wars budgets in half

or something like that
 
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