So this is it then?

[Dar70]

I personally don't want more Trek at this point. Like many of the other major Franchises it has become oversaturated, predictable and just plain boring. Dr. who and Star Wars also with the MCU close on their heels. I want to see more original content or more stuff that hasn't been put to screen before. Watching Foudation now and it's excellent so far. These old franchises can't go on forever people. Gen Z mostly doesn't care and Gen-x and Millennials are probably getting their fill now.

I hope Hollywood eventually gets a clue. I'm thinking they won't but fingers crossed...

 

[Steve Roby]

I want to see more original content or more stuff that hasn't been put to screen before.

We hadn’t seen a Star Trek series that followed a single character’s growth from young officer to experienced captain before Discovery.

We hadn’t seen a series set in the far future with radical changes to the Federation, Starfleet, and Vulcan society before Discovery.

We hadn’t seen a series about a familiar character long past his glory days finding new things to do and new people to do them with before Picard.

We hadn’t seen a series of brief vignettes, some comical, some touching, some dramatic, before Short Treks.

We hadn’t seen a comedic take on Star Trek as an animated series before Lower Decks.

We hadn’t seen a show where the main regulars weren’t the senior officers before Lower Decks.

We hadn’t seen an animated show about a group of young people from outside the Federation before Prodigy.

We hadn’t seen much of Captain Pike and his crew before Strange New Worlds.

We hadn’t seen a dangerous, criminal group of main characters before Section 31, not that we needed it, but it was certainly different.

We hadn’t had a series set at Starfleet Academy before Starfleet Academy.

We hadn’t had shows that were about people working hard to restore the Federation and Starfleet instead of taking them for granted before Discovery and Starfleet Academy.

Star Trek 2017-2027 has given us a lot that’s original, a lot that we hadn’t seen before, just like you asked for.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek 2017-2027 has given us a lot that’s original, a lot that we hadn’t seen before, just like you asked for.

But it was the wrong time or type of new!

It should be more like the old even as it's new. It's newness should not outweigh the oldness because new is bad unless it's the right new otherwise it should be old.

 

[Danja]

But it was the wrong time of new!

It should be more like the old even as it's new. It's newness should not outweigh the oldness because new is bad unless it's the right new otherwise it should be old.

Head beginning to spin ...

 

[fireproof78]

Head beginning to spin ...

Is that a new problem?

 

[Sebine_91]

But it was the wrong time of new!

It should be more like the old even as it's new. It's newness should not outweigh the oldness because new is bad unless it's the right new otherwise it should be old.

I’m always reminded of that Itchy and Scratchy focus group in The Simpsons when it comes to what fandoms want out of shows

 

[UssGlenn]

The Creatives should give audiences what they need, not what they say they want. However, those are not mutually exclusive. Just doing the opposite of what audiences say they want is also bad (subverting expectations). They are supposed to use their expertise as creatives to figure out what audiences need.

 

[fireproof78]

The Creatives should give audiences what they need, not what they say they want. However, those are not mutually exclusive. Just doing the opposite of what audiences say they want is also bad (subverting expectations). They are supposed to use their expertise as creatives to figure out what audiences need.

Maybe the audience doesn't need Star Trek.

 

[Mudd]

No. They're just supposed to create things that people will pay for.

Just about all the art that we talk about and consume - especially in spaces like this one - exists as an element of commerce. Creative folks are driven to create by their own natures and ambitions and what satisfies one individual is different than another. But if they aren't producing income then they aren't employed in mass media for very long.

The audience? The audience likes every kind of thing...sometimes.

 

[Sebine_91]

I don’t think the creatives are actively avoiding giving the audiences what they want. In the streaming era there’s been a variety of shows in terms of focus, tone and audience and all the Trek fans I know have enjoyed at least one of them. Heck, even the Red Letter Media guys loved the final season of Picard.

Three of the biggies for me in terms of Trek - a proper send off for the TNG crew, a follow up to Voyager and a Captain Pike show have all happened.

 

[Dar70]

We hadn’t seen a Star Trek series that followed a single character’s growth from young officer to experienced captain before Discovery.

We hadn’t seen a series set in the far future with radical changes to the Federation, Starfleet, and Vulcan society before Discovery.

We hadn’t seen a series about a familiar character long past his glory days finding new things to do and new people to do them with before Picard.

We hadn’t seen a series of brief vignettes, some comical, some touching, some dramatic, before Short Treks.

We hadn’t seen a comedic take on Star Trek as an animated series before Lower Decks.

We hadn’t seen a show where the main regulars weren’t the senior officers before Lower Decks.

We hadn’t seen an animated show about a group of young people from outside the Federation before Prodigy.

We hadn’t seen much of Captain Pike and his crew before Strange New Worlds.

We hadn’t seen a dangerous, criminal group of main characters before Section 31, not that we needed it, but it was certainly different.

We hadn’t had a series set at Starfleet Academy before Starfleet Academy.

We hadn’t had shows that were about people working hard to restore the Federation and Starfleet instead of taking them for granted before Discovery and Starfleet Academy.

Star Trek 2017-2027 has given us a lot that’s original, a lot that we hadn’t seen before, just like you asked for.

And save for a couple seasons total, I found most of it boring and poorly executed. Newer Franchises are just better and we need more of it. Not old Franchises redone over and over again.

 

[Steve Roby]

And save for a couple seasons total, I found most of it boring and poorly executed. Newer Franchises are just better and we need more of it. Not old Franchises redone over and over again.

I could swear the goalposts were around here somewhere.

 

[Dar70]

I could swear the goalposts were around here somewhere.

Sorry you feel that way. Just better stuff out there man. Trek is on its last legs and i highly doubt it ever regains its best days. They had 9 years to get it right and dropped the ball 90% of the time imo. Picard- 1 good season Disco- 2 SNW- 1 SFA - 2 good episodes. Lower Decks- a silly Futurama Clone. Prodigy decent never got a chance to finish it.

With all the intentional retconning of characters and back story. Weird choices like the turbolift interior and Klingon makeup. Sending a ship a thousand years into the future to escape TOS canon only to insert another show in there that did an even worse job. They never really had a good plan. It could have went so much better.

The rumors of yet ANOTHER prequel tells me they just don't have it in them anymore. Oh well.

 

[fireproof78]

And save for a couple seasons total, I found most of it boring and poorly executed. Newer Franchises are just better and we need more of it. Not old Franchises redone over and over again.

Then go watch those. Star Trek doesn't need people explaining why they're not watching it.

I could swear the goalposts were around here somewhere.

They longer exist. It's the perpetual hunt for goal posts.

 

[Steve Roby]

Sorry you feel that way. Just better stuff out there man. Trek is on its last legs and i highly doubt it ever regains its best days. They had 9 years to get it right and dropped the ball 90% of the time imo. Picard- 1 good season Disco- 2 SNW- 1 SFA - 2 good episodes. Lower Decks- a silly Futurama Clone. Prodigy decent never got a chance to finish it.

But that's a matter of your opinion, not of fact. People like me are here disagreeing with you because we think a lot of it was quite good. Do I think all of it is the best TV out there? Not necessarily. Few shows over the last decade have grabbed me the way Tales From the Loop did. That show had the advantage of not having to carry a franchise, but like a lot of us, I suspect, I like watching some shows that tell a story and end and I like some shows that keep on going. Variety is nice.

With all the intentional retconning of characters and back story.

I'd argue that the past shows have had their own inconsistencies, accidental and deliberate, in those areas, though maybe not as much as SNW.

Weird choices like the turbolift interior and Klingon makeup.

Nothing particularly new there.

Sending a ship a thousand years into the future to escape TOS canon only to insert another show in there that did an even worse job.

Sending a ship a thousand years into the future to move the story of Star Trek forward, then continuing to do so. I don't see the problem there, especially since you're about to say prequels are a sign of the problem.

They never really had a good plan.

Got the simple past tense right...

It could have went so much better.

,,, but blew the past participle. Sorry, I try not to nitpick too much, but this particular issue just grabs me every time. Why have so many people forgotten about past participles? Have they not gone to school? I swear I never used to see it a decade ago, but now it's everywhere. It's like the "free reign" of the 2020s.

The rumors of yet ANOTHER prequel tells me they just don't have it in them anymore. Oh well.

But you're not satisfied by the shows that aren't prequels, either.

 

[Dar70]

I know it's opinion. Never said it was fact. Sadly Trek just is not that popular anymore. (Not that it had a huge fanbase to start with) I can't really see it being pulled back up.

I would have much rather seen something continue from Picard season three and have them forget about the 32nd century or anymore TOS prequels.
But truthfully I don't think that would have saved it either. I have a feeling they will try a couple years after SNW airs it's final episodes. Maybe a complete reboot like I was really hoping for. I don't know man. It remains to be seen. I just don't think it's gonna be all that great no matter which way they go. It's just too long in the tooth now Imo. Everything has its time.

 

[bdub76]

The good news is that there are so many great Trek novels to read.

 

[Danja]

Then go watch those. Star Trek doesn't need people explaining why they're not watching it.
They longer exist. It's the perpetual hunt for goal posts.

Schrodinger's Goal Posts.

They both exist and don't exist at the same time!

 

[Dar70]

Then go watch those. Star Trek doesn't need people explaining why they're not watching it.
They longer exist. It's the perpetual hunt for goal posts.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that I'm sure Paramount don't want to hear. Don't watch it if you don't like it. Don't give an opinion at all. Then when it all comes crashing down blame the people who turned their backs on it. No i shall watch it if they make it. I'm doing you a favor in that regard....Right??

I will give my opinion. That's what these boards are all about Fireproof. Be happy that some people are willing to give new Trek a chance. Many do not want to give it a chance anymore. Just because I'm disappointed in the direction it has gone In and think Trek is on its last legs doesn't mean I won't support it and give an opinion. Maybe they will surprise me and resurrect the franchise to its former glory. I highly doubt it, but never say never....right?

 

[Dar70]

The good news is that there are so many great Trek novels to read.

I wish I had the patience to read like I used to.