Or which General Order has the death penalty?
Or which General Order has the death penalty?
James R. Kirk was slain by those damned Vulcanians, and in this thread HE'S A HERO!
Or...you can hold on to the stupid ENTERPRISE plot line of Temporal Cold War and agents causing changes, starting with Borg in the Arctic, more advanced weapons in the NX-01, the lack of April developing the systems on the first starship ENTERPRISE, etc.
You don't need an alternate timeline when TNG moved the time already.
Enterprise showed that the TOS and TNG timelines were still intact at the end.
As has Discovery, Picard, SNW, Lower Decks...almost as if they all respect and adhere to canon.
Well Tbf there are so many threads on kinda the same topic that things will be repeated. I know I have to repeat the same things in several threads I try not to do it in the same thread. Just don't respond to them. Give a like or dislike. Whatever.
I don't know how so many can't see the difference. The Kurtzman shows are way worse with Canon than any of the other shows. I mean we have almost the entire TOS crew on board the Enterprise already. Kirk and Pike are almost besties. Spock has had open relationships with two crew members as well as T'pring. There was ZERO evidence in TOS of this. It's a very far stretch. Spock should be reserved and stoic at this point. The only time he was even this open to the crew in TOS was when he was playing on his harp and Uhura was singing.
Im glad people like it but don't pretend it's following what came before because it really is not.
No they objectively are. Claiming otherwise is factually wrong.
Should he? Until SNW, we never saw the intervening years between smiley and shouty Spock in "The Cage" and also smiley and shouty Spock in "Where No Man Has Gone Before."
In fact, Spock's not that stoic in the first season of TOS. He smiles quite a bit, and he's also markedly annoyed in "The Enemy Within."
Nothing in TOS says this couldn't have happened. Clearly, there was a tension between the two as early as "The Naked Time." This could easily be due to their past history.
Pointing out yet again that the size of the Enterprise was never firmly established and has certainly been seen as debatable. Also, tell me one thing the SNW Enterprise has done that is more advanced than what we saw in TOS.
Highly unlikely as the shows have very firmly been established as being part of the prime universe.
They're really not.
And?
Hardly. Nevermind that Kirk was on a first name basis with Pike in TOS.
So what?
Just because something wasn't shown on screen, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.
Says who?
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That ship sailed during TOS and never returned, so I'm puzzled as to why you'd think that time ever existed.
Ah. Ninja'd, I see.
Spock was much more reserved in TOS. He smiled 3 times, happily yelled JIM and recomposed himself. He was either under Alien influence , ponn far or in the past where his emotions broke out. McCoy was always trying to get Spock to show more emotion. In SNW Mccoy would not have to do any such thing.
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Spock was much more reserved in TOS. He smiled 3 times, happily yelled JIM once and recomposed himself. He was either under Alien influence , ponn far or in the past where his emotions really broke out. McCoy was always trying to get Spock to show more emotion. In SNW Mccoy would not have to do any such thing.
His relationship with Christine was supposed to be Unrequited. That's the way it was portrayed. Christine KEEP TRYING as Mccoy said. Spock could not return the feelings. Making them sex buddies in SNW totally ruins that dynamic in TOS.
As for Kirk Knowing Pike... Mendez:"Have you ever met Chris Pike."...Kirk: "We met when he was promoted to Fleet Captain." Mendez: About your age....
Now why would mendez have to tell Kirk he is about your age?? As for Kirk calling him Chris.... SO WHAT....I have been to nursing homes when visiting friends and there will be random people I don't know but I use their first name. I don't know them personally or at all but I don't call them Fleet Captain so and so...
...So it's weak and people are trying to stretch little mannerisms etc. into something they are not. Many (not all unfortunately) fans of TOS know it's weak. Let's Just call it what it is major RETCONNING. That is what it is. 100%. No getting around that fact.
As for Trons Alternate Reality comment. They can indeed retcon all the Kurtzman stuff if they so desire and call it an alternate universe. They probably won't but I will bet they just don't ever reference it again if they go a new path. If Kurtzman Trek can retcon all kinds of things a new show runner can indeed retcon all Kurtzman Trek.
Good thing Strange New Worlds isn't The Original Series.
Sure, that might have been the original idea behind it. Newer writers went with a different angle. Still doesn't violate any continuity.
You might think that. I think it adds a new and interesting layer to their relationship.
Indeed, especially right after Kirk told Mendez that he already knew Pike.
Met Pike when he was promoted actually. He didn't act like a man that knew Pike as intimately as he does on SNW..
He isn't telling Kirk that. Pike isn't Kirk's age, he's got at least a decade on him, maybe 2, and that's not a retcon, it's obvious in The Menagerie from the timeline. Mendez has to be referencing how old Pike was in the past. Mendez is reminiscing of Pike back when he was a "big, handsome man, vital, active" and his memories of that are when Pike was around Kirk's age.
Whatever. But it's clear from that Episode that Kirk Barely knows Pike. Then in SNW they know each other and have several heart to hearts...
You're talking about the days before the internet. A simpler time with an innocence the world shall never reclaim.
Yes, I'm aware of the irony of bitching about the internet whilst posting on the internet.
Why would he. They're in a uniform service and Kirk is allowing his superior speak.
This is taking things extremely literally in a way that is not commonly spoken, unless you're Captain Holt.
It clearly isn't. Kirk has a gentleness to his time that indicates familiarity.Whatever. But it's clear from that Episode that Kirk Barely knows Pike. Then in SNW they know each other and have several heart to hearts...
Exactly. A big clue that Mendez is referring to the Pike of the past, how Pike used to be, assuming it isn't clear already, would be the "handsome man, vital, active"—which Pike obviously is not anymore.
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