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Early Criticism: What’s Unfounded and What Isn’t

Yeah, wouldn't know about any private conversation you guys had, and if anything inappropriate manifested in that conversation, I can understand the actions.
Funny that the skirt issue continues to garner so much controversy, but I stick to my original position about it, I have no problem with male skirts: see Braveheart, I just think the article in question should have had a more Klingon flavor, and not something that came off the clearance rack from Old Navy 😁
 
flyerdog said:
Yeah, wouldn't know about any private conversation you guys had, and if anything inappropriate manifested in that conversation, I can understand the actions.
Funny that the skirt issue continues to garner so much controversy, but I stick to my original position about it, I have no problem with male skirts: see Braveheart, I just think the article in question should have had a more Klingon flavor, and not something that came off the clearance rack from Old Navy 😁
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We saw it on Doctor Who too.

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It's sad how many people are so deeply closeted they're full of self-resentment that they have to keep lashing out about this.

A man in a skirt (which lets face it looks more like a kilt anyway not to mention the existence of dress uniforms and skants) only lives rent free in heads like this when it is identified with or desired.

The more these people doth protest the more transparent their closet becomes.
 
Detached Nacelle said:
It's sad how many people are so deeply closeted they're full of self-resentment that they have to keep lashing out about this.

A man in a skirt (which lets face it looks more like a kilt anyway not to mention the existence of dress uniforms and skants) only lives rent free in heads like this when it is identified with or desired.

The more these people doth protest the more transparent their closet becomes.
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Shows an ignorance of history honestly.

Wearing trousers was considered barbaric in ancient Rome and associated with Gaul and other such "uncivilized" regions.
 
It’s clearly masculine fragility. They see what is a gay Klingon wearing a skirt and cry about how they’re attacking masculinity by taking what they perceive as a very masculine species and “feminizing” them.

That said, I can understand criticism from the LGBTQ over Jay-Den’s portrayal. In my opinion, I wish Jay-Den behaved more like a typical Klingon who just happened to like dudes. Out and proud, likes to party hard. Trying to portray Jay-Den as also being an outcast that’s reserved feels too derivative of Worf IMO. When Tuvok was conceived the writers tried to find ways to differentiate him from Spock and I thought they succeeded at that.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
It’s clearly masculine fragility. They see what is a gay Klingon wearing a skirt and cry about how they’re attacking masculinity by taking what they perceive as a very masculine species and “feminizing” them.

That said, I can understand criticism from the LGBTQ over Jay-Den’s portrayal. In my opinion, I wish Jay-Den behaved more like a typical Klingon who just happened to like dudes. Out and proud, likes to party hard. Trying to portray Jay-Den as also being an outcast that’s reserved feels too derivative of Worf IMO. When Tuvok was conceived the writers tried to find ways to differentiate him from Spock and I thought they succeeded at that.
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Tuvok definitely turned the volume on Spock's sarcasm and dry humor to higher levels..

as far as the other stuff, I can see how it's a sensitive subject, but it doesn't always have to be .
after all people of any demographic group run the spectrum from the most over the top to the subdued, it's more personality traits than any sort of 'marker' of who they are.

So i suppose the argument (and the issue) becomes that if you start to portray certain people/demographics the same way consistently, it then becomes caricature, and not character, per se. And I think we are seeing more complexity of characters than in decades past, wherein someone's gender sexuality, ethnicity etc (choose your marker)..are a component of their character among several other components that make up the whole. Whereas in the past the character was built around one specific area, and that in itself is limiting.....

I can't help but use examples, so here we go....Frank Burns from MASH....he was such a one dimensional character that when he lost "Hot Lips" to her new husband...that effectively ended his arc and his functionality in the series, and he was written off, the actor Larry Linville even agreed as much and it was time for him to go...
 
One or two episodes with background blink-and-you'll-miss-it characters (TNG) apparently constitutes a main character - front and center - designed by the writer(s) to grab attention (SA).
 
Ragitsu said:
One or two episodes with background blink-and-you'll-miss-it characters (TNG) apparently constitutes a main character - front and center - designed by the writer(s) to grab attention (SA).
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I do not remember them being around for very long. Skirts on a military like vessel outside a dress uniform seems stupid for any gender.

I also loved it when that captain told Troy to put some damn clothes on.
 
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