32nd Century in Trek was awful. The "Burn", the Emerald Chain, all of it - just awful writing. I refuse to consider it canon.
Um, it was. In season 3, the Emerald Chain scientist Aurelio was studying the spore drive and said words to the effect of, "Wow, the 23rd century must have been the Golden Age of science!"
Granted, Discovery didn't have things like programmable matter and personal transporters, but that technology may have been developed before The Burn. They weren't able to develop the pathway drive until after they found the dilithium planet.
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If this plays out with Kurtzman being shown the door, my guess is whomever takes over will not want the baggage of the Paramount+ shows. They'll have their own vision for this and won't want to be stuck with "The Burn" and some of the story choices made during this era.
If they don't totally reboot the franchise, it wouldn't surprise if they divide off the Paramount+ shows into their own universe. It'll still be Star Trek and anyone would still be free to use it, but we might get a scenario where a new showrunner picks a starting point and says ignore everything else beyond that (e.g., keep TOS and the Berman shows in continuity and proceed from there). James Gunn just did something similar with the DC movies and TV shows.
If they don't totally reboot the franchise, it wouldn't surprise if they divide off the Paramount+ shows into their own universe. It'll still be Star Trek and anyone would still be free to use it, but we might get a scenario where a new showrunner picks a starting point and says ignore everything else beyond that (e.g., keep TOS and the Berman shows in continuity and proceed from there). James Gunn just did something similar with the DC movies and TV shows.
Simply ignoring the modern shows would be an insult to everybody involved with them and the fans of those shows. If that happens, I guarantee they will lose this lifelong fan.
Well the other problem if Secret Hideout's and Kurtzman's deal is not renewed is the rights issues to the IP.
Paramount is assumed to need a deal securing the rights to the Paramount+ produced shows done by Secret Hideout if they want to use the material going forward. If they can't make a deal or there's extended negotiations over it, Paramount would have to go around the material if they want to produce more Star Trek material in the near-term.
Paramount is assumed to need a deal securing the rights to the Paramount+ produced shows done by Secret Hideout if they want to use the material going forward. If they can't make a deal or there's extended negotiations over it, Paramount would have to go around the material if they want to produce more Star Trek material in the near-term.
The century had nothing to do with it. They could have made the exact same show in the 25th century during the PIC era and it would have been little different.
I definitely disagree with that. If the direction that Discovery, Picard, and Starfleet Academy is the future of "Trek", then they have lost me.
I suppose, given the cancellations, it’s hard to argue it wasn’t a mistake.
I would also agree with others that I’m not sure the actual year/century was the primary problem.
I liked DSC and SFA, but obviously they did not capture the audiences they hoped for (especially SFA).
Such is life.
I would also agree with others that I’m not sure the actual year/century was the primary problem.
I liked DSC and SFA, but obviously they did not capture the audiences they hoped for (especially SFA).
Such is life.
How does Paramount not own Star Trek? They would not license out their IP to a subcontractor and lose rights. That's nonsensical.
Whomever is assuming this is not making much sense.
Honestly I think future writers might have to ignore large parts of not only the Kurtzman era, but the Berman era too.
It seems like they're interested in using the 23rd century for fairly obvious reasons (mostly iconography), and if they want to refresh the franchise, it doesn't make sense to tie into things from DSC/SNW. It doesn't even really make sense to bring up things from TOS beyond the core premise.
I'm starting to think my dream show would be an all-new ship and crew, a la TNG, but set in the 23rd century with a TOS-like tone, and not bound to any prior work. Overrule TOS itself when needed - no, we don't need to know what "UESPA" is, and yes, women can obviously be captains, etc.
(I know someone will say "that's SNW", but it's halfway to being what I want at best)
It seems like they're interested in using the 23rd century for fairly obvious reasons (mostly iconography), and if they want to refresh the franchise, it doesn't make sense to tie into things from DSC/SNW. It doesn't even really make sense to bring up things from TOS beyond the core premise.
I'm starting to think my dream show would be an all-new ship and crew, a la TNG, but set in the 23rd century with a TOS-like tone, and not bound to any prior work. Overrule TOS itself when needed - no, we don't need to know what "UESPA" is, and yes, women can obviously be captains, etc.
(I know someone will say "that's SNW", but it's halfway to being what I want at best)
My dream show would be a complete reset back to the end of the Dominion War, with a new Crew, new ship set in the 25th Century, decades after the Dominion War. I don't really find it interesting to constantly keep going back to the 23rd Century when that's already well trodden ground.
I like the general idea of the 32nd century, but I miss a show that *really* fleshes it out.
Like ... the classic "bridge crew on an exploring vessel exploring space", without too many references to the past, but also world building about the galactic political situation at that century ... you know, just like TNG, which did feature a Klingon and had Vulcan guest characters, but had the rule to stand on its own feet rather than exploiting references to TOS (at least until "Unification" in season 5).
Basically a "Star Trek - The Third Generation".
Like ... the classic "bridge crew on an exploring vessel exploring space", without too many references to the past, but also world building about the galactic political situation at that century ... you know, just like TNG, which did feature a Klingon and had Vulcan guest characters, but had the rule to stand on its own feet rather than exploiting references to TOS (at least until "Unification" in season 5).
Basically a "Star Trek - The Third Generation".
I have to say, I would ideally like to have both -- I love SNW and LD, but I do miss the look forward.
When more than just one show is on at the same time, there is no reason not to have both. Kurtzman Trek did focus too much on the former, agreed about that.
That's pretty much what I want. Can't we have a different SNW ship and crew for a change without any 1701 callbacks?
Look, if “New Paramount” resets things, it’s not going to be back to [enter your preferred point in canon here], because nobody cares about [your preferred point in canon] but you (and us on this board). To anybody else, that’s something they never heard of, on some show from thirty years ago. If a reset happens, it’ll be just that: a new beginning, possibly a new version entirely.
(And if they don’t reset things, the issue is moot.)
(And if they don’t reset things, the issue is moot.)
The era makes zero difference except to ultrafans. It's the same shit whenever it is on the timeline and you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
Star Trek Legacy is a fanwank idea aimed at a dwindling pool of 40something fans. Even Marina Sertis said it had zero chance of happening.
New Star Trek, made in Trump's America aimed at MAGA is something I think we can live without. Better to leave it in the hands of the fans again, because that won't be Star Trek.
When you are saying stuff like this I think you are missing the point entirely.
I don't think you need to throw existing canon out of the window. I wouldn't have the slightest interest in a full reboot.
But there is a difference between wallowing in the past, and merely using it as a lose framework while standing on its own feet (like TNG did regarding TOS).
But there is a difference between wallowing in the past, and merely using it as a lose framework while standing on its own feet (like TNG did regarding TOS).
