I'm just saying this was (technically) not a "put everything back the way it was before story.
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Considering Spock's importance in galactic history later, I'd argue it was putting it all back to the way it was.
However, going by just up to that point in time, it still fits. Spock in the altered time died as a child, which is why we saw an Andorian XO when Kirk and Spock reappeared.
All true. I'm just pointing out that at the end of the episode Kirk agreed with you that "everything had been put back." Spock did not agree.
Was the change the death of his sehlat?
Yes. Spock literally said "It might (mean much) to some."
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I shall direct you to this thread
ok. i have my work cut out for me.
Right out of hell, I SAW it!
TNG should've ended during season two with "Q Who", arguably the most tension-filled, threatening episode of TNG. The set-up for a shocking, yet believable series finale was all there, with Q--as seen in the episode-- forcing a premature introducing" the Borg to Starfleet long before any natural contact, and Starfleet's alleged finest being completely unprepared to even defend themselves against the species. The terror of the Borg 's attack in that episode would've served as both a superior judgement about arrogant humans (Picard conducted a masterclass in that early in the episode with his interactions with Q) more than that milquetoast pilot AKA "Encounter at Farpoint", and a bold way to end the arc of Starfleet/humanity.
...and before anyone complains, "B-but Star Trek is all about hope and optimism." need I remind said complainers that innumerable ST episodes ended tragically, with no hope or even a hint of a solution for characters, worlds, etc. IOW, Star Trek was never Sunshine and Lollipops in Space. The difference here is that one of the most believable set ups for an overwhelming threat fully pays off, and at the time the story is set, there's no research team to look to as a possible way out (not that mattered much when the Borg's canonical next visit occurred).
...and before anyone complains, "B-but Star Trek is all about hope and optimism." need I remind said complainers that innumerable ST episodes ended tragically, with no hope or even a hint of a solution for characters, worlds, etc. IOW, Star Trek was never Sunshine and Lollipops in Space. The difference here is that one of the most believable set ups for an overwhelming threat fully pays off, and at the time the story is set, there's no research team to look to as a possible way out (not that mattered much when the Borg's canonical next visit occurred).
Fascinating idea. The Federation builds this Uber ship class and immediately stumbles into the Borg...
Let's look at it from FASA's perspective.
Warp factor six equals 7776c, close enough to the original idea of warp factor six being one light-year per hour. And in essence the Galaxy blows up (pun intended).
Here's the real problem: the Honorverse. The weapons as described by David Weber, blow away Star Trek. It is quite clear that too many limitations were imposed on Star Trek...
I won't go into why here. But... leaving 'Q Who' as the very last episode? Brilliant.
I would say the jury is still out on that. See the long-running discussion concerning quantum theory.
I'd never thought about that before, about Generations. I just figured they ignored the line, but you're right, on further reflection.
a good arguement for letting Moore continue to make movies past his prime. 70's View to a Kill would have been the same, but a Karate Chop fight. Somehow not as good.
No, just a guy with the most racked up violations of whatever the time laws are. It would be a late stage Kirk thing to fly around trying to figure out how he'd die, but not understand the situation and get it wrong.
Yeah. Easy to forget now just how imporant TV Guide was to getting your show noticed and watched. At that time it was the most read magazine in the US.
"Well evil guy I know about but my captain doesn't, we're doing a survey for an unbelieably top secret science program that can be perverted into a terrible weapon. But I can't tell you more than that."Can i sneak in a question about The Wrath of Khan movie?-
When Chekov and another crewman beamed down to that hostile 'sandstorm' type planet and were captured by Khan and his followers and taken to their cargo container home, why did the two refuse to answer Khan's simple question about why they'd beamed down?
No wonder Khan was annoyed and put them wriggly things in their ears..
There are a lot of repeated similar hallucinations of people using Salvia Divonorum, of a female spirit, variously described as the Green Lady, Lady Salvia, etc. Of course the drug just may flip certain switches properly, and there's always the chance of being influenced by prior tales, but some of these were from people who didn't have contact with others before they tried it. I find that kind of thing interesting.Maybe they chalk it up to the mushrooms in space.
'They saw them on their dishes when eating': The mushroom making people hallucinate dozens of tiny humans
Only recently described by science, the mysterious mushrooms are found in different parts of the world, but they give people the same exact visions.www.bbc.com
This makes me think though.. considering how rapidly Alexander aged.. how do we know Worf isn't like 12 years old or something by Encounter at Farpoint?
In fairness, he seems to have had his plans shut down before he ever got that far, and adding on canon from ENT, that era of augments are all just incapable of working together long term, and prone to self-destruct. And the new audio drama doesn't do any favors for the myth of the "Superior intellect". If anything Malik might have been a better leader than Khan being more ruthless, but Soong coming back forced him to try and prove his leadership before he was ready.
Or just spun off another reality where that was the case. Which depending on how one views these things, was a reality that always existed and that's simply the way things happened there.
When they asked him why he was on Star Trek he literally said, "I'm cheap." I was hoping for at least one Cronenberg monster on Discovery after he showed up. Oh well.
his little monitor looks pretty modern for 1960's tech, too up to date for what he could have found in 1930. But he could have made a kind of oscilloscope based display, or done something like a Farnsworth TV:
There should be a TOS style Time-contamination story where someone goes to a primitive world and drops an old handheld console game accidentally. Nintendo doesn't like it, but Square Enix will do a collab in a heartbeat. A planet whose development has been shaped by Japanese RPG's and their space-navy has gunblades.
indeed.
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I'd watch it. I'd call it "The Gaiden must be crazy."
Say what you like, but he had a nose for history.
Why not end with Measure of a Man? If you're hell bent on ending in the second year? For... Reasons?
You're talking five-ish years of advancement? (What were they rendering DS9 and Voyager on?) Just for history's sake I wish I still had the files for my Enterprise, D-7, X-wing, and Millennium Falcon. They probably took up less disk space than this web page.
"Read the TV guide, you don't need a TV."
I think I might have thought something similar myself for a moment.
As far as any theory that the images are "compressed" or some other computer mumbo jumbo that would have been unknown in 1966-67, what possible gain of function could Spock be getting out of the 1930 circuits that he built vs. the computing power of an entire tricorder? I'm assuming that it's got more memory and better processing speed than a present day Galaxy Ultra or iPhone.
I genuinely would be curious (not that I would be faking my curiosity, of course) to know what Harlan and/or Dorothy was thinking was going on. It's an interesting enough McGuffin for the story that competes with the ticking clock AND pays off with good character moments for all three main characters. I just don't know what they thought was happening.
Obviously I adore D.C. Fontana, but she wrote the end of Tomorrow is Yesterday. She had a gift for compelling TV that made no sense at all when you gave it a moment's thought.
Oh no, now I need to know the answer to that!
It seems Amblin Imaging (and presumably their successor Digital Muse) and Foundation Imaging had switched from Amigas to using DEC Alpha systems with a render farm of Pentiums by 1995. Though Amblin made Voyager's CGI model on both Amiga and SGI workstations (with some textures getting lost when they moved it, which is why it has missing patches in the opening titles).
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