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Yikes! Did season 1 episode 6 use AI-generated art?

Trying to stop A.I. from affecting human creativity is like trying to stop the ocean with a broom.

The thing is A.I. isn’t one simple thing. The way it can be used varies wildly, and that’s what makes the debate so hard to weigh in on.. For those who are completely against it, my question is: where do you draw the line? Who draws the line? Where is the line exactly?

What if a story is fully created and imagined by a human being, but that person uses A.I. to solve his writer’s block? What if A.I. is used to brainstorm ideas, maje dialogue better, or help structure /plot? What if it’s only used to help visualize storyboards or concept art?

At that point, it becomes extremely hard to prove what is “real” human creativity and what is A.I. assisted. And if you can’t prove it, what can really be dione?

Unless you have some kind of undeniable evidence almost like DNA-level proof - that A.I. was used, then realistically, society will just have to accept it. You kinda almost have to say “Go ahead and use A.I., just don’t get caught or make it obvious.”

Now, in my opinion, A.I. can be detrimental to creativity, but I do not think we’re going to see a massive amount of jobs being lost. Some careers may disappear or shrink, just like they have with every major technological advancement in history.

But I don’t see a total mass exodus of creators. I don’t believe content creators are just going to vanish overnight. People will still want to write, animate, draw, act, and tell stories. I think we may even start to soon see content being billed as " created by real human creators" as a selling point as A.I's influence continues to grow in Art and Entertainment .

Me personally, at the end of the day, if something I enjoy but is just entertainment - something I’m spending disposable income on, moves me, entertains me, teaches me something, or makes me feel good, then it’s worth it.

Life is too short.
 
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"According to the sources

the comic was hand-drawn by one of the in-house graphic artists in the Starfleet Academy art department."



No name for the sources, and no name for the artist.

I'm convinced. :vulcan:


Anyway, regardless of the truth I just think the art looks poor.

Unless I know for sure, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt . But that's me. Whether the Art is poor or not is definitely valid / a valid spinoff comment but not really germane to the thread's main point.
 
Oh shit, I didn't mean to contribute something that potentially wasn't germane. I feel awful.
 
Maybe the studio is thinking twice about releasing the individual who drew the art because people may badger him on social media claiming his work is not his.....just saying

Ironically, some of the people who are championing human creativity may be throwing shade on REAL creators saying their content is AI when it's not.
 
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Oh shit, I didn't mean to contribute something that potentially wasn't germane. I feel awful.
Of course it's germane as in you are always free to make segway points. I'm just saying it's not directly relevant to the main core discussion of this content being created by A.I. And my main point is that If we don't know for sure, we should lean or take a cue from the law and just assume innocent until proven gulity
 
I don't believe I did segue. The topic remained the images in the comic.

I'll consider reassessing my opinion when/if we ever find out what sources TrekMovie used for this information. 'We talked to someone and they told us that someone else made it' doesn't do it for me.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter in the slightest to the world at large what I think about the situation. :shrug:
 
I don't believe I did segue. The topic remained the images in the comic.

I'll consider reassessing my opinion when/if we ever find out what sources TrekMovie used for this information. 'We talked to someone and they told us that someone else made it' doesn't do it for me.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter in the slightest to the world at large what I think about the situation. :shrug:
The original post only talked about whether this was A.I. The thread then expanded to talk about the art itself . Totally valid.

My default is to trust people . If that makes me naive, then so be it. I saw no smoking gun telling me that my default view should be that this is A.J until proven otherwise. But thats me . I canadian , maybe I'm too nice and trusting 🙃
 
What's unfortunate is that this sort of thing is exactly what AI should be used for. It's graphics that are onscreen for meer moments. The time spent drawing those could have been better used. For example, to fact check the Sisko family tree.
 
The original post only talked about whether this was A.I. The thread then expanded to talk about the art itself . Totally valid.

My default is to trust people . If that makes means naive, then so be it. I saw no smoking gun telling me themat my default view should be that this is A.J until proven otherwise. But thats me . I canadian , maybe I'm too nice and trusting 🙃
Just to be clear, I was in no way judging your own stance on the matter. I'm not calling you naive.

Or too nice. ;)
 
What's unfortunate is that this sort of thing is exactly what AI should be used for. It's graphics that are onscreen for meer moments. The time spent drawing those could have been better used. For example, to fact check the Sisko family tree.

Well I think this struck a cord because Comic books are an artistic endeavor in itself and have a passionate following . Actual artwork was used.

If A.I was used to randomize clouds or city scapes, even background people( like outdoor scenes you see in a moving car's window) to replace the old style copy and paste/repeating "wallpaper " footage from studio held archival footage , it would not get the same attention I suspect.

EDIT: As soon as I posted this, I saw Tuskin38's response right after. Case in point . A.I creating art is definitely a sensitive issue. Regardless on how little is used and under what context.

In this case though, theres no verifiable proof that this actually happened here. I suspect this thread may soon be closed as a result.
 
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"According to the sources

the comic was hand-drawn by one of the in-house graphic artists in the Starfleet Academy art department."



No name for the sources, and no name for the artist.

I'm convinced. :vulcan:


Anyway, regardless of the truth I just think the art looks poor.
My thoughts exactly. They can't name a single staff member?

And has anyone owned up to the coordination / editing mistake of changing the U.S.S. Miyazaki's background from the 23rd century to the 31st century at the last minute without synchronizing everything in production together?
 
To be honest the fact they didn't have it be an actual IDW comic timed to release along side the episode is probably the best evidence of it being AI.

Because that would have been an easy 10k+ sales, possibly even double that if it had included a digital download possibility.
 
This isn't helped by the large amount of bias today in not wanting to blame the little guy. In so much discourse blame must be attributed to the studio or the executives. Big evil corproate entities looking to meddle or save money. People seem somewhat gunshy when it comes to saying the artist/writer/developer or what have you just did a bad job and they are at fault for the lower quality product.
 
One of the most exhausting aspects of Ai is the erosion of trust it engenders. Ai has supercharged our scepticism, anyone at any skill level can create an increasingly convincing fake of anything in just a few minutes and everyone is an expert in sniffing it out, myself included.

I’ve worked as a Concept Artist for 20 years. I still have my job. I’ve also seen people lose their job to Ai. If I go on facebook right now, there’ll be a post from an artist calling us to arms, the next post the algorithm will find for me will be a four panel Ai generated comic about a tabby cat in a sad situation (so, so many of these). If I hop on over to Bluesky there’ll be artists with more talent than myself, asking whether anyone can donate to their Kofi because they can’t find work.

I look at this Trek comic and I see elements that I think look Ai and I wonder whether its hybrid work. Some of the backgrounds appear to be photos that have been drawn over. However some of the interiors have detailing that looks like Ai hallucinations and ‘Not Sulu’ has some pretty ropey hands in a couple of shots that go beyond bad drawing – but then Ai is good enough now, that bad hands aren’t a clear cut signifier.

They say there’s no Ai in that comic, but you don’t have to go far on the internet to find some pretty strong anti Ai sentiment. Games like Expedition 33 had its Game of the Year award rescinded when it was discovered it had used Ai.

There’s nothing to gain from admitting that they did use Ai on that comic and it’s plausible that they didn’t and it was just a rushed effort, but thanks to Ai I’m not 100% convinced. As I said, exhausting.
 
It depends on what the strengths of the Ai checkpoint being used are. Some are very good at stylised work and bad at realism. Others are good at characters, but bad at environments. Depending on how the Ai is being used you can add Loras to them - additional, bespoke training information - that could get the uniforms right, including the deltas. That said, tidying up those deltas in Photoshop for someone who knows their way around it would be a quick job, which is why hybrid work is becoming more common.
 
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