Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

[Lynx]

I was very apprehensive about SFA and it certainly has had its ups and downs in the first six episodes but it’s actually pretty damned good. Parody is the last word I would use to describe it.

Well, obviously we have different opinions of it.

What I saw of those Youtube videos didn'texactly encourage me to start watching the series.

I think the TNG lighting was a little too much if you ask me. It feels way over lit. I actually don’t mind the lighting in the scene from Picard you decided to show. Season 3’s lighting on the other hand? Yuck.

I think that the TNG lightning was OK. It's what I see in Picard which I don't like.

Fortunately I gave up on it before season 3.

And I must also say that I don't like Raffi Musiker. I found her slightly annoying in PIC and after reading a certain book in which she really annoys me, I just can't stand that character.

The Warning looks promising... ...great band and I remember when they were just a YouTube video...

Have been some good TV shows the last ten years the problem is they are just all mini series now. So 10 episode seasons. Maybe 60 episodes tops. So they disappear from the cultural consciousness pretty quickly now.

Ai should be the final nail in the coffin for live Entertainment and hands on creativity.

I've seen some videos with The Warning. They are good!

From time to time, I do encounter some really good bands. The problem is that they never seem to be as big as Iron Maiden, Metallica and similar bands.

Much more fun back in the days when I could see a great band and tell the world how good they are and just a few weeks later everyone knew about them. That doesn't happen now.

 

[Danja]

Well, obviously we have different opinions of it.

What I saw of those Youtube videos didn'texactly encourage me to start watching the series.

A lot of those YouTube sites stir up drama for clicks.

Clicks = $$$$

It's gotten to the point now where Paramount is sending cease-and-desist letters against these review-bombing sites.

I think that the TNG lightning was OK. It's what I see in Picard which I don't like.

To me, it looked artificial.

The whole decor of TNG looked like something you would find on a cruise ship.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Much more fun back in the days when I could see a great band and tell the world how good they are and just a few weeks later everyone knew about them. That doesn't happen now.

It does, it’s just… no offense, but your general posts paint a picture of a person who is completely out of touch with modern culture.

 

[Campe]

What I saw of those Youtube videos didn'texactly encourage me to start watching the series.

By YouTube videos, do you mean clips or reviews? Because clips only show out of context moments. Reviews have their own agendas.

Trust your own eyes and make sure you have context.

 

[Ssosmcin]

It does, it’s just… no offense, but your general posts paint a picture of a person who is completely out of touch with modern culture.

I know that I certainly am

 

[Dar70]

I've seen some videos with The Warning. They are good!

From time to time, I do encounter some really good bands. The problem is that they never seem to be as big as Iron Maiden, Metallica and similar bands.

Much more fun back in the days when I could see a great band and tell the world how good they are and just a few weeks later everyone knew about them. That doesn't happen now.

Sadly I think those days are mostly gone forever. Things are way to segmented now and there are more bands/TV shows and films Being produced and created every year then ever before. Now with Ai helping or totally creating Music/Film/Art/books there will be more crap out there then ever before. Even if some is "good" I won't consider it. If it's 100% artificially created I have no interest. But as I said before there is a ton of stuff before Ai a few years ago. Enough to keep us all busy until oblivion...

 

[Set Harth]

The whole decor of TNG looked like something you would find on a cruise ship.

 

[fireproof78]

To me, it looked artificial.

The whole decor of TNG looked like something you would find on a cruise ship.

TNG always felt extremely stiff. The blocking and set design was very beige, a color I find just unappealing, and the pacing presented as very leisurely.

 

[MurphyCooper]

With the modern stuff I've seen of Trek, Trek being put to rest to some degree would be a better fate than it just being turned into modern slop like every other series, the Simpsons, Family Guy, Star Wars, etc, all have lost their original character and I unfortunately feel Star Trek is going down that path.

 

[fireproof78]

The word "slop" is fast losing meaning.

If Star Trek wasn't being made people would be demanding the IP owners to stop being cheap and make more. If they make media people don't like then it's slip and they're hacks.

The meaning of Star Trek isn't just in the writers or new episodes but what audience members are willing to explore within. Except Star Trek has become a constant competition with itself for the "glory days" spot because the past is viewed as the best.

It's an impossible task.

 

[Set Harth]

The word "slop" is fast losing meaning.

It's accelerating!

 

[The Salt Umpire]

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[The Wormhole]

The word "slop" is fast losing meaning.

So does every word that becomes an internet argument buzzword like Slop has.

 

[Lynx]

A lot of those YouTube sites stir up drama for clicks.

Clicks = $$$$

It's gotten to the point now where Paramount is sending cease-and-desist letters against these review-bombing sites.




To me, it looked artificial.

The whole decor of TNG looked like something you would find on a cruise ship.

I know that there is a lot of crap on YouTube in these days. I've encountered some who were total crap with a lot of desinformation about certain celebrities.

If Paramount and other takes action against the sites with pure desiformation and lies, I'm all for it but if they do it because those people simply dont like NuTrek, then I think they should start thinking about what they are doing to Star trek now.

But I must admit that what I did see about Starfleet Academy didn't make me wanna watch it.

As for TNG, maybe the more developed and better educated peole in the future has done away with doom and gloom scenarios and simply want a more comfotable environment to work in.

By YouTube videos, do you mean clips or reviews? Because clips only show out of context moments. Reviews have their own agendas.

Trust your own eyes and make sure you have context.

In these cases it was reviews.

OK; maybe people with agendas have made them but I must still state that there were a lot which was showed up that I simply didn't like or find attractive to watch.

Sadly I think those days are mostly gone forever. Things are way to segmented now and there are more bands/TV shows and films Being produced and created every year then ever before. Now with Ai helping or totally creating Music/Film/Art/books there will be more crap out there then ever before. Even if some is "good" I won't consider it. If it's 100% artificially created I have no interest. But as I said before there is a ton of stuff before Ai a few years ago. Enough to keep us all busy until oblivion...

Fortunately, I do have the TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY DVDs so I don't have to bother that much with all crap which is produced in this hopeless decade. I rather watch Cold Fire 100 times than watch any episode of those doom and gloom series.

But it would have been nice to discover something new and watchable.

It does, it’s just… no offense, but your general posts paint a picture of a person who is completely out of touch with modern culture.

I actually take that comment as a compliment!

But I'm not "out of touch" with modern culture. I simply hate it because it's the absolute opposite to what I like and it's just too much of it which are unlikeable for me right now.

 

[Paul Weaver]

If Paramount and other takes action against the sites with pure desiformation and lies, I'm all for it but if they do it because those people simply dont like NuTrek, then I think they should start thinking about what they are doing to Star trek now.

If these haters had a platform in 1987 TNG wouldn't have got a second season.

alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die was bad enough.

 

[Set Harth]

A blast from the past...

 

[Rahul]

All of these series start in a bad place, sure. But they come out on the other side to a better place. The struggle, the journey back to the light is the story here. If it stayed dark like say, The Boys, then I’d agree that it’s dystopian. But generally, nah. Dark moments sure. But that’s gone all the way back to TOS.

I have a question for you - and I mean that honestly, not in a "got'cha"-way:

Would you consider "The Hunger Games" a dystopia?
And if yes/no - do you consider that "darker" or more "hopeful" than SFA & DIS?

Because for me that's when the YA-ification of dystopias started, and they don't always look like Mad Max or Terminator anymore, but are sometimes bright, optimistic and outright fun.

With this definition I would definitely describe DIS season 3-5 & SFA as a "dystopian" future, being set in a post-apocalypse and all.
But the shows themselves NOT as "dark", they're quite fun as z optimistic.
Whereas DIS season 1 is quite brutal, violent, pessimistic, full of gore and betrayal, but IMO NOT a dystopia - it is set in a "generic" future with spaceships and a war against aliens.

So for me "dystopia" is clearly about the setting & world-building, not necessarily the stories being told in this setting. But not sure if that's the same understanding with everyone?

Wasn’t that the whole point of the Abrams films? Start with a fresh slate and do something different without being beholden to canon? By the second movie they went right back to Khan, and by the third film it was all over. Then five TV shows after it harked back to past stuff in one way, shape or form. These guys don’t inspire me with much confidence that they are able to consistently do ‘something new.’

That's the weirdest part about the nuTrek era to be honest.
They have created an alternate timeline (ST09) or went time-travelling 1000 years into the future (DIS/SFA) just to escape canon - only to then exclusively tell stories about Klingons, Orions, Betazoids, Trill, the Precursors, and how people still love Sisko.
Like what the hell? If they just introduced some new Allen antagonists (like the 90s shows did all the time, like when they introduced Cardassians, Borg, Hirogen, Kazon, Xindi and Suliban) - they could have avoided canon problems in any century in the first place!
But noooo.... Let's do a Pike-prequel (good), but then bring in the Gorn (ugh) and Romulans...

 

[Campe]

I have a question for you - and I mean that honestly, not in a "got'cha"-way:

Would you consider "The Hunger Games" a dystopia?
And if yes/no - do you consider that "darker" or more "hopeful" than SFA & DIS?

Because for me that's when the YA-ification of dystopias started, and they don't always look like Mad Max or Terminator anymore, but are sometimes bright, optimistic and outright fun.

With this definition I would definitely describe DIS season 3-5 & SFA as a "dystopian" future, being set in a post-apocalypse and all.
But the shows themselves NOT as "dark", they're quite fun as z optimistic.
Whereas DIS season 1 is quite brutal, violent, pessimistic, full of gore and betrayal, but IMO NOT a dystopia - it is set in a "generic" future with spaceships and a war against aliens.

So for me "dystopia" is clearly about the setting & world-building, not necessarily the stories being told in this setting. But not sure if that's the same understanding with everyone?

I do find Hunger Games dystopian. Because at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who is in charge, bad things go down. I certainly never found Hunger Games or any of the other YA shit you’re speaking of “fun.” A cautionary tale for sure.

Yes, season 1 of Disco could be considered dystopian. But that is very much turned around by season 2. A dark story with Control and Section 31, but definitely one with hope at its core. Season 3, sure, if that’s really how you want to describe it, why not? But season 4 and 5 are far more hopeful and optimistic. I’d call it post-dystopian. And I find absolutely nothing about SFA dystopian. It is certainly more than hopeful.

 

[Mage]

Well, obviously we have different opinions of it.

What I saw of those Youtube videos didn'texactly encourage me to start watching the series.

Wait.... Just out of curiosity...

Are you telling us you have formed an opinion on something you haven't watched? Like a child that says a food tastes bad before even tasting it?

 

[The Salt Umpire]

Well, obviously we have different opinions of it.

What I saw of those Youtube videos didn'texactly encourage me to start watching the series.


I think that the TNG lightning was OK. It's what I see in Picard which I don't like.

Fortunately I gave up on it before season 3.

And I must also say that I don't like Raffi Musiker. I found her slightly annoying in PIC and after reading a certain book in which she really annoys me, I just can't stand that character.


I've seen some videos with The Warning. They are good!

From time to time, I do encounter some really good bands. The problem is that they never seem to be as big as Iron Maiden, Metallica and similar bands.

Much more fun back in the days when I could see a great band and tell the world how good they are and just a few weeks later everyone knew about them. That doesn't happen now.

Saw Green Day in Little Rock when they were playing bars. Been a fan since.

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