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Early Criticism: What’s Unfounded and What Isn’t

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Let's say the Taylor Sheridan's series are the major draw to P+. If that's so, then SFA looks like the opposite of what that viewership would want to watch whether it's good or not. It's like putting Highway to Heaven on the CW. Would the demographics watch it?
 
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Let's say the Taylor Sheridan's series are the major draw to P+. If that's so, then SFA looks like the opposite of what that viewership would want to watch whether it's good or not. It's like putting Highway to Heaven on the CW. Would the demographics watch it?
Given the streaming numbers haven't been released yet and the intro thumbnail seems to be acting like he already knows them, I'm going to guess we have another "unfounded".
 
Let's say the Taylor Sheridan's series are the major draw to P+. If that's so, then SFA looks like the opposite of what that viewership would want to watch whether it's good or not. It's like putting Highway to Heaven on the CW. Would the demographics watch it?
More variety, more potential subscribers. It's a streaming service, not a channel, so they can theoretically keep both audiences happy.
 
More variety, more potential subscribers. It's a streaming service, not a channel, so they can theoretically keep both audiences happy.
Until they get big enough, it's pretty much a channel.

For horror, my go to these days is AMC+. For science fiction, it's AppleTV. For A24 films and WB, it's HBO MAX. Disney+ is kids stuff and Star Wars and Marvel. For old stuff, it's Criterion Collection. For cozy murder mysteries, it's BritBox.

The only two that come close to being diverse enough and make enough content is Prime and Netflix. Of course, there is Kanopy that also has a pretty diverse selection that's free with a library card, but you're limited by how much you can watch.
 
People have thr right to complain if they think something stinks. Why should someone's criticism ruin it for you? Youre at home watching it by yourself not with a person online that hates it. That shouldnt affect your enjoyment at all. The internet is a place for people to discuss things and television is one of them. You really cant expect that only people that love a show should have a right to discuss it and shower it with praise and keep out the negstive opinions. If people dont like it they are not going to shower it with praise. People who have been supporting star trek their whole lives have a right to discuss and not shower it with praise. Just dont let it bother you. Its not changing the content youre watching.
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I certainly dont care who hates what I watch. I also dont go out of my way to attack them or claim some nefarious motive or conspiracy as to why. The show hasn't been as well received by audiences. It is what it is.
 
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I certainly dont care who hates what I watch. I also dont go out of my way to attack them or claim some nefarious motive or conspiracy as to why. The show hasn't been as well received by audiences. It is what it is.
C'est la vie.


There is no obligation to like everything in Star Trek. But, this restaurant has changed the menu since Discovery so continued participation indicates some measure of awareness of the change.
 
Tell me you didnt watch the episode without telling me you didnt watch the episide.

If Caleb hadn't been on the Athena then Nus Braka and his friends wouldnt have even been able to track the Athena, so its a falsehood to say if he hadn't have been onboard the ship would have destroyed.

Also, Nus hadn't killed anyone during his attack.

Which meant the summary execution of the pirates was....extreme.
 
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Was it? Do we know what the armament of the Venari Ral vessel was? Ake's order could have been a matter of firing on them before they could fire on the Athena. Starfleet reinforcements were still very far out who knows what other tricks they might have had up their sleeve or how much damage prolonged combat could cause. The top of the episode established that the Venari Ral have absolutely no compunctions whatsoever about killing Starfleet officers, and I wouldn't take Braka's word or assurances about anything. And they did initiate the attack. Also, Ake had her entire student body to worry about.
 
Also, Nus hadn't killed anyone during his attack.

Which meant the summary execution of the pirates was....extreme.
They shouldn't have attacked what is the star trek equivalent of a school bus on a field trip. End of story. Everything we have heard about the Venari Ral indicates that murder and violence is their MO. These are not people that you can negotiate with. Ake was right in destroying the ship and ending the threat to the cadets.

If Ake had let the Venari Ral list in space while not knowing if they would launch another attack, she probably would have been criticised for that too.

This is not the first time we have seen Starfleet Captains use extreme measures to end hostile threats.
 
I have to admit Starfleet Academy is starting to lose me. The first episode I thought hmm, maybe it has potential. I've tried to keep an open mind about the show.

I do like that it's more episodic, like SNW. Serialized storytelling is fine but I like some variety. And that format seems to work better with this type of show.

But it is starting to feel a bit like 90210 or Melrose Place of the 32nd century in some ways and I just never cared for shows like that. At times it gets a bit to sappy, almost like a Hallmark Christmas movie. Everyone's happy at the end, everyone gets what they want. I want to be careful here because I'm not opposed to happy endings. But it feels over the top to me. The whole let's give the Klingons a planet but make it not seem like we are giving them a planet. I was just like oh brother. Do all the other Klingons that were there feel like they really fought for the planet? I'd kind of feel like they still gave it to me.

I don't hate it like I hated season 2 of Picard or the Section 31 movies. They were God awful and I wish I could unwatch those. But I honestly don't see myself watching these episodes again or buying them on Blu-Ray when they eventually come out. I'll probably keep watching in the hopes maybe it gets better as the season goes on.

I do wonder how the show is doing overall from a rating's perspective. I know my opinion doesn't really mean squat in the grand scheme of things. But I wonder is it doing well, mediocre, or not well at all. Obviously all that will determine if it gets a 2nd season. I liked Prodigy a lot more and that only got 2 seasons.
 
It's a third season we need to be wondering about but there are a lot more factors in play at the minute that mean it may not get one even in the event of being a runaway success.
 
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Let's say the Taylor Sheridan's series are the major draw to P+. If that's so, then SFA looks like the opposite of what that viewership would want to watch whether it's good or not. It's like putting Highway to Heaven on the CW. Would the demographics watch it?

I like both Star Trek and Sheridan's shows, so I don't see any problem, there.
 
The whole let's give the Klingons a planet but make it not seem like we are giving them a planet. I was just like oh brother. Do all the other Klingons that were there feel like they really fought for the planet? I'd kind of feel like they still gave it to me.

The fig leaf offered for this is sufficient, I think: that their highly popular leader was in on the fix, implicitly even if it wasn't spelled out.

Relating it to our world at the present time, we know that voters will choose whatever they believe to be their personal best interests, regardless of what they say they believe about normative values.

Everyone wants to live, even Klingons.

And a leader with a sufficiently strong following can zig and then zag in just about any direction they want, with their believers falling in line and adopting the very positions they always said they opposed.
 
ST has been fine with showing disabled people. Pike, Geordi, Miranda Jones and Riva. All without allegory We also have Gem, who was mute and Hemmer who was blind.

Star Trek is not about escaping into a fantasy world were no problems exist. It's about commenting on the present through the lens of Science Fiction. It's not set in a different universe. it's set in an approximation of ours. The idea that SF ( and Trek in particular) should somehow be exempt "profanity, silly jokes and humor and teen angst" because its Sci-Fi is patently absurd. Science Fiction doesn't play by a different set of rules that other forms of fiction. As Roddenberry said "Keep in mind that science fiction is not a separate field of literature with rules of its own, but, indeed, needs the same ingredients as any story -- including a jeopardy of some type to someonewe learn to care about, climactic build, sound "motivitation, you know the list.

Nope."Dude, WTF" would naturally be part of the linguistic history of a SF property set in Earth's future, Not so much in Middle Earth.
the original vision of ST...a portrayal of optimism for the future, not a bleak dystopia , which sadly, elements of which we see now, in real life!

Deanna Troi from First Contact: "Poverty, War, Disease have all been eliminated" ..in that context, seems like we've gone backwards, now I get the idea that history can repeat itself, (in some ways we are seeing that now globally)

I get both sides of the argument, perhaps the solution would have been a single line where they might have indicated that some of the previous technology was lost, but then you seem to have huge leaps in other technology (holograms that breathe and need to shower, for example)..so a little inconsistency there.
Keep in mind also that Gene had physicists and Engineers that he regularly consulted with for scientific accuracy, when writing episodes, which is where the term 'phaser' came from. He originally called them 'Lasers;, but physicists told him that lasers can't vaporize people, so he created the phaser. Also the whole concept of Warp drive as I recall....

sometimes a single line is all it takes.

There is a scene in "My Cousin Vinny" where Vinny tells a guy that Lisa "Knows everything about cars"...and that helps setup her crushing (automotive) testimony at the end of the film.

as far as the language thing, it's clearly an attempt to ingratiate certain demographics, I understand that, but from my perspective this comes across as talking down to the audience, even the target demographic. They get it, whether the language used is more elegant or more vernacular.

The overuse of present day language simply comes off as gratuitous, in my humble opinion. As does the use of ill timed humor.
 
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