Paramount+ 60th Anniversary Intro

[Tosk]

A "full length" episode is how ever long the creators make it,

They're just being clear so that people can evaluate the information. Which I for one appreciate.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

For me, this was a great representation of where Star Trek was and where it is now, even thiugh it didn't have anything from Prodigy and Lower Decks.

 

[The Wormhole]

I wonder, if there were still animated shows in production, would they have a different version of this? IE, it starts with the Enterprise rendered Filmation style from TAS, then becomes the Cerritos, then the Protostar?

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I wonder, if there were still animated shows in production, would they have a different version of this? IE, it starts with the Enterprise rendered Filmation style from TAS, then becomes the Cerritos, then the Protostar?

I wonder that, too. It would be great to see.

 

[Mudd]

They don't want to remind us about the show people wanted them to spend the money on instead of Academy.

We could be watching Captain Seven right now.

Jesus, no.

 

[FredH]

Jesus, no.

While I’d have liked to have Legacy (but have no problem with SFA, nor do I see it as a competition), making “the show people want them to spend on” can be a terrible idea.

Not always — SNW was something people wanted, and it did turn out pretty well. But a lot of the time, “the show people want” may be the equivalent of all those fan videos about Starfleet ships beating up Klingon ones (with comments sections full of “This is real Star Trek!”). You don’t want to make creative decisions on that basis, I think, unless it’s also the show the creators and producers (both) want to have money spent on. Pretty sure that’s what really happened with SNW.

(With Legacy the creators wanted it and a lot of viewers wanted it, but presumably the producers had economic or other reasons for not wanting it. C”est la vie.)

 

[Mudd]

Paramount and Lucasfilm have used "off the shelf" (or just "available") meshes in the past at various levels. (I wasn't completely kidding when I asked if it was mine. I can tell it's not for various reasons.)

That said, links to the creators who are claiming the theft would be a more than reasonable first step.

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[Firebird]

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Not that I dispute Marc's claim, but how is he able to prove those are his models?

 

[Tallguy]

Not that I dispute Marc's claim, but how is he able to prove those are his models?

I'd say by looking at the grooves on the aft nacelle caps of his model and the model in the intro? (And he might have recognized some other tells?)

Those are not exactly like the 11 foot model. And they match what's in the intro.

Well, BOOO!

 

[Paul Weaver]

Not that I dispute Marc's claim, but how is he able to prove those are his models?

Can you make and release models of a copyright and possibly trademarked ship?

 

[Tallguy]

Can you make and release models of a copyright and possibly trademarked ship?

Sure. And Paramount can do what they want. You play in their pool, they can take your toys.

It's just not polite.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Maybe not everyone at ILM, but Ken Ralston is quoted as saying (courtesy of Memory Alpha):

"I'll probably get attacked about his, but I'm just not crazy about the original design of the Enterprise. It's a shape that does not lend itself easily to looking good in the frame. It's hard to come up with angles that read like anything. There are only two good angles on it." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 12, issue 5/6, pp. 54-55), and, "I hate that ship. I've said it a hundred times, but it's true. I think it's ugly – the most silly looking thing. The model is murder to work with, so I'm glad it's gone," (American Cinematographer)".

Perhaps Ralston and his associates needed lessons on capturing great angles of miniatures. They should've started by watching TOS with some of the greatest beauty / dramatic miniature shots ever captured on film. If there was a problem with the 1701, it was ILM's alone.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I wonder, if there were still animated shows in production, would they have a different version of this? IE, it starts with the Enterprise rendered Filmation style from TAS, then becomes the Cerritos, then the Protostar?

While a TAS-rendered 1701 would've been great, the TOS version technically represented it well enough.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Sure. And Paramount can do what they want. You play in their pool, they can take your toys.

It's just not polite.

Indeed. They don’t need to ask permission.

Would it be cool if the artists got compensated for their work? Sure.

Would it be the decent, bare minimum, thing to do to cite credit to the artist for making something that was used on-screen? Absolutely.

Are any of these things required for Paramount to do at the end of the day? Not even remotely. Sad but true…