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Spoilers Russell T. Davies Returns to Doctor Who as New Showrunner
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Yeah the show's definitely dead. A new CBBC show commissioned, a Christmas special set for the end of this year, a search for a new show runner and maybe a new partner....
Absolutely as dead as a not remotely dead thing!
And I love the idea that the BBC would remotely decide to, checks notes, jettison the last twenty years (plus McGann) including some of the most popular Doctors the show has ever had to effectively have McCoy wake up in the shower ala Bobby Ewing in Dallas with everything that's happened since Survival being just a dream. There isn't a laughing emoji big enough to do that idea justice. I'd point posters towards the fanfic forum but frankly most fanfic writers have way more imagination.
Nothing the modern show has done spoils anything that happened in the classic era. Hartnell is still the First Doctor because the Doctor has almost zero memories before being Hartnell.
Hell there's plenty of stuff I don't really like in the show, but I'd never want to wipe Colin's Doctor for existence (to give one example).
Don't like the modern era? Nobody's making you watch it. Here's a suggestion courtesy of a show RTD produced in the 1980s. "Why don’t you just switch off your television set and go and do something less boring instead?"
Absolutely as dead as a not remotely dead thing!
And I love the idea that the BBC would remotely decide to, checks notes, jettison the last twenty years (plus McGann) including some of the most popular Doctors the show has ever had to effectively have McCoy wake up in the shower ala Bobby Ewing in Dallas with everything that's happened since Survival being just a dream. There isn't a laughing emoji big enough to do that idea justice. I'd point posters towards the fanfic forum but frankly most fanfic writers have way more imagination.
Nothing the modern show has done spoils anything that happened in the classic era. Hartnell is still the First Doctor because the Doctor has almost zero memories before being Hartnell.
Hell there's plenty of stuff I don't really like in the show, but I'd never want to wipe Colin's Doctor for existence (to give one example).
Don't like the modern era? Nobody's making you watch it. Here's a suggestion courtesy of a show RTD produced in the 1980s. "Why don’t you just switch off your television set and go and do something less boring instead?"
He was originally a little girl. Lol.
I thought they just revealed that The Doctor had lives before The "First" Doctor, but left all of the incarnations from the show itself alone?
I haven't seen anything between the end of Jodie Whitaker's first season and the 60th Anniversary specials, so all I know about the whole Timeless Child thing is the bits and pieces I've read online.
where it turned out The Doctor had some kind of connection to the origins of the Time Lords. Maybe it was in the books between the end of the classic and new series. Either way, it's not obviously not a totally new idea.
I haven't seen anything between the end of Jodie Whitaker's first season and the 60th Anniversary specials, so all I know about the whole Timeless Child thing is the bits and pieces I've read online.
I'm sure if they really wanted they could find a way to retcon it all away without a full reboot. This is Doctor Who we're talking, a show that's whole premise is about screwing around with time.
I think I read somewhere that there was or was going to be a storyline
where it turned out The Doctor had some kind of connection to the origins of the Time Lords. Maybe it was in the books between the end of the classic and new series. Either way, it's not obviously not a totally new idea.
Timeless Child and bi-generation are both awful ideas. The time war, which is pretty much a rip-off of the Clone Wars in execution, was one of the better ideas for the relaunch.
Just over a week ago I said this:
"With both Doctor Who and Star Trek, a lot of people reject new developments because there was a status quo when the old series ended and that status quo was always there. The Doctor always had two hearts and was a Gallifreyan Time Lord with a limit of 13 regenerations or whatever. All of those were things that were made up along the way, not part of the core concept. Same deal with Spock and Michael Burnham. We know he never had a human stepsister! Well, his parents came as a surprise, his fiancee came as a surprise, his half-brother came as a surprise, his trip to Romulus for unification activities came as a surprise... but you can't have any more surprises after the point where a particular fan came in and assumed all of those were how things always were. Then, as a slight twist, there's the fans who came in with TNG and didn't watch TOS and insist Star Trek has always been like TNG and must always be like TNG, especially in ways TOS wasn't."
Who says Innes Lloyd had earned the right to introduce the idea of regeneration, the single biggest change in the show's history? It was never mentioned while Verity Lambert or John Wiles produced the show. What made him think he had earned the right to change the show so dramatically? Nothing done since then compares in terms of its impact on the show.
I know. For some reason, you think that's different. But just saying so doesn't make it so.
They were. The doctor was always male. The new showrunners couldn't deal with that so had the doctor regenerate to a female. That wasnt enough so they decided that hartnel while the first doctor had a pre story where he actually started as a little girl. Why? Why go through all that trouble? If they wanted a female timelord so bad they could have made one. Instead as you said its bi generation now. So stupid. Im really glad the shows hey day is over and now its becoming a lackluster show that is no longer a priority for fans to watch. Its become more if a niche show with a smaller fandom now.
This is the wilderness years part 2. Who knows what we'll get after the Christmas Special.
I have been rewatching some Matt Smith episodes, and while the budget was lower, the stories were so much better than what we got the last two seasons.
The Doctor has been a woman. More than once. Why is it you can't deal with that?
Why is that a problem? He's an alien who dies and comes back in a different form. Why is that easy to accept only if he comes back as a man?
Why not? Maybe to make the show a little more fresh.
If they wanted Hartnell to be a Time Lord, why wait until the end of the second Doctor's incarnation to mention it? If they wanted a limit to the number of regenerations, why wait until the Fourth Doctor's time to mention it?
When was the last time you saw a regeneration that included The Watcher? What happened to the Doctor becoming the Valeyard? This may well end up being another weird regeneration thing that doesn't get mentioned again.
It's no longer a priority for you. You don't speak for all fans.
Pretty much every show has a smaller fandom now, because there's so many more shows to watch now.
Well he had to have parents of some kind!
Unless he's a bootstrap paradox. Of course he isn't, but the identity of his parents came as a surprise.
The fact is the doctor was male until recently and you know it. To solidify the change the show runner decided to go back and show that before the doctor became the doctor he was a little girl. Totally idiotic.
The ratings went down immediately after they started making changing to doctor who lore and decided he was originally female. Making excuses that theres more shows doesn't cut it. Losing a ton of viewers in just two years is because of quality of the writing and uneccesary and idiotic changes.
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And there was a time when the Doctor was a human time traveller. He referred to himself as human, not as a Time Lord. And a later showrunner changed that. But you're okay with that. You don't address any of the other changes made to the show or the character over the decades. Why not?
The ratings went down in the Capaldi era. See the many articles in Doctor Who Magazine about the show's ratings since it came back in 2005.
I have no idea what this means.
Citation needed.
The notion is akin to Star Wars fans who, to this day, want to wipe out the prequel trilogy, and now the sequel trilogy, and create new movies in their place.
The horror, the horror...
Thank you for making it clear what this complaining is actually about.
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The notion is akin to Star Wars fans who, to this day, want to wipe out the prequel trilogy, and now the sequel trilogy, and create new movies in their place.
The horror, the horror...
Thank you for making it clear what this complaining is actually about.
It was idiotic. We know why the showrunner did it. He wanted to make a statement.
It's not the show runners to blame for the modern show being unable to sustain even just 8 episodes a year without another 18 month plus hiatus, that is all the fans fault, did you not get the memo? lol
Yeah. Its all out faults for abandoning a once great show. Lol.
Idk, guys. If I was over 2,000 years old and lost everyone I loved and fought one horrible war after another, I don't think I'd mind suddenly having a woman's body either. Probably why the Doctor went "oh, brilliant."
Besides the Doctor barely even remembers being the Timeless Child, so who gives af.
Besides the Doctor barely even remembers being the Timeless Child, so who gives af.
The timeless child was a dumb story. Most long time Dr. Who fans hated it. They did it go justify the doctor regenerating into a woman. It was really dumb.
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