Spoilers SFA Ships & Tech

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I didn't remember this when I wrote the other reply, but I was recently looking at my FASA Trek library and I like their explanation for the DY-100 model being reused in "The Ultimate Computer." It's a more modern, automated variant named the Zeus that was designed by a fan of historical ships. The first edition of Trader Captains and Merchant Princes has a detailed stat block and cutaway but no class description, which was added in the second edition of TC.



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I swear if you blacked out the details and only looked at the silhouette, the vessel looks like a fish of some sort.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

That being said, however, I do think there's a logical upper limit and 900 years would be quite the stretch.

Out there theory but by the 2550s the Klingons were members of the Federation, this could be following a complete collapse of the Klingon Empire so following their secession after the Burn they might have just not had any ships of their own apart from relics from the point of the Empire's collapse and maybe lacked resources to make anything up to date.

Maybe Klingon space was in Emerald Chain territory so the just have pirates and raiders flying around in their fossils.

 

[Tuskin38]

a bunch of museum ships reactivated after the Burn idk

 

[Dukhat]

Options:

1. It’s a flashback scene from the 24th/25th century.

2. They’re 900 year old ships that are somehow still being used in the 32nd century.

3. They are 32nd century ships and we’re not supposed to question what they look like.

 

[137th Gebirg]

If its not a flashback, then its likely another goof like the anachronistic DSC ships being shown prominently in the early episodes of PIC. Although showing 100 year old ships is a more forgiving slip than 900 year old ships.

 

[Ronald Held]

One might ask why shi.ps of the 32d century resemble prior SF ships at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

its likely another goof like the anachronistic DSC ships being shown prominently in the early episodes of PIC.

A goof they'd have to put a lot of work into because none of these ships have shown up in previous P+ shows, so the assets would not have existed in their library, except maybe the Freighter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Options:

1. It’s a flashback scene from the 24th/25th century.

2. They’re 900 year old ships that are somehow still being used in the 32nd century.

3. They are 32nd century ships and we’re not supposed to question what they look like.

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One might ask why shi.ps of the 32d century resemble prior SF ships at all.

People like retro.

 

[Dukhat]

A goof they'd have to put a lot of work into because none of these ships have shown up in previous P+ shows, so the assets would not have existed in their library, except maybe the Freighter.

Yep. They specifically chose those ships for a reason. We just don’t know what that reason is yet. It could be as simple as someone saying ‘hey, we need a Klingon battle cruiser, a Klingon Bird of Prey, and a Klingon freighter for this scene’ without actually bothering to find out what time period those ships belonged to per STO. Of course, they don’t have to follow STO lore and they could just say those were 32nd century Klingon ships, but that clearly doesn’t work for the freighter.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Never minding that the "Klingon freighter" was originaly seen as the Cardassian freighter Groumall. It was often thought at the time that when the Groumall was painted green and re-used as Klingon ships, that they were captured Cardassian vessels.

In any case, the ships seen in the trailer are similar to, but not QUITE the Groumall-type model. So I'll give it a pass. Not sure about all the other STO models, but we eventually accepted the re-canoning of the Enterprise-F in "Picard" from its wholly different STO origin story, so...

Par'tok type

The Par'tok-type was a cargo vessel design utilized by the Klingon Empire during the late 24th century. Unlike other Klingon vessels, these freighters did not possess cloaking devices. In 2374, during the Dominion War, the IKS Rotarran was ordered to escort a convoy of these cargo vessels, which...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

 

[137th Gebirg]

In fairness, the freighters could have been generically built by an independent contractor and available for purchase by any major power that needed them for transport logistics. Since they weren't considered military vehicles, they likely wouldn't have possessed special technology and restricted to being built by those governments internally. Case-in-point would be the countless "Antares"-class freighters we've seen throughout many years of multiple Trek series, and all their variants and owners. My gripe isn't with the prolific use of a generic design by multiple organizations. Far from it - that kind of thing happens IRL all the time. It just sticks in my craw that no real visible differences seem to have arisen to distinguish this variant over the things we've seen before, from nearly a millennium in the past. I mean, cars have been around since, what, 1885 (only about 140 years)? Should a Corvette still look like a Benz Patent-Motorwagen?

I suppose it could be argued that they pulled all these ships out of mothballs in a post-Burn galaxy to help rebuild and reconnect the member worlds of the Federation, but it seems to me that they're just trying to save some dollars in the budget in the creation of new digital assets.

 

[Dukhat]

I suppose it could be argued that they pulled all these ships out of mothballs in a post-Burn galaxy to help rebuild and reconnect the member worlds of the Federation, but it seems to me that they're just trying to save some dollars in the budget in the creation of new digital assets.

I'm assuming that this is the case. We are simply supposed to assume that those freighters are new as of the 32nd century, just like the other two STO Klingon ships originally designed for the 25th century per the game. I can't see 700 year old ships still in mothballs. They're reusing stock assets from PIC like the Midas arrays and Spacedocks, and I'm guessing we're supposed to assume that they're not 700 years old either.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I'm more than onboard with that notion actually. There were THOUSANDS of DC-3 freighters built over decades and used by countries around the world. The Airbus family of passenger planes is being completed in five Final Assembly Lines globally (France, Germany, Canada, the US and China), with orders being placed years ahead of delivery.

Could there be the equivalent of an interstellar, multinational conglomerate that's churning out ancient basic designs to whoever can afford them? The YT-1300 of the Star Trek universe, that anyone, anywhere can operate?

Mark

 

[NCC-73515]

Athena gets a nice reveal scene, and the very cool opening sequence is filled with most the main ships from TOS to SNW

 

[Unicron]

In fairness, the freighters could have been generically built by an independent contractor and available for purchase by any major power that needed them for transport logistics. Since they weren't considered military vehicles, they likely wouldn't have possessed special technology and restricted to being built by those governments internally. Case-in-point would be the countless "Antares"-class freighters we've seen throughout many years of multiple Trek series, and all their variants and owners. My gripe isn't with the prolific use of a generic design by multiple organizations. Far from it - that kind of thing happens IRL all the time. It just sticks in my craw that no real visible differences seem to have arisen to distinguish this variant over the things we've seen before, from nearly a millennium in the past. I mean, cars have been around since, what, 1885 (only about 140 years)? Should a Corvette still look like a Benz Patent-Motorwagen?

I've often thought about this as well, as it might explain why the merchantman model was so popular. Some worlds might not have the resources or currency to build and maintain large fleets, and the FASA Orions copied a lot of technology from other races to a reasonable (if not entirely perfect) degree. The Klingons and Romulans also swapped a number of ship designs in their technology exchanges, making some variants common in both fleets.

 

[Ronald Held]

In a clip, the EMH has an unfamiliar padd. It seems to do more than data manipulation. Also what did the Tricorder look like?

 

[Dukhat]

I've often thought about this as well, as it might explain why the merchantman model was so popular. Some worlds might not have the resources or currency to build and maintain large fleets, and the FASA Orions copied a lot of technology from other races to a reasonable (if not entirely perfect) degree. The Klingons and Romulans also swapped a number of ship designs in their technology exchanges, making some variants common in both fleets.

I’ve mentioned this before, but it has always annoyed me that TNG, which had a modest production budget, would constantly reuse models and stock footage, while classic Doctor Who, with a shoestring budget, never reused a model or stock footage, even once.

 

[B.J.]

I'm more than onboard with that notion actually. There were THOUSANDS of DC-3 freighters built over decades and used by countries around the world. The Airbus family of passenger planes is being completed in five Final Assembly Lines globally (France, Germany, Canada, the US and China), with orders being placed years ahead of delivery.

Could there be the equivalent of an interstellar, multinational conglomerate that's churning out ancient basic designs to whoever can afford them? The YT-1300 of the Star Trek universe, that anyone, anywhere can operate?

Mark

It's funny you mention the DC-3, since it's still being flown today. Some have the original radial engines, but some have been converted to turboprops just within the last few years.

 

[Dukhat]

Could there be the equivalent of an interstellar, multinational conglomerate that's churning out ancient basic designs to whoever can afford them? The YT-1300 of the Star Trek universe, that anyone, anywhere can operate?

Well, that’s all fine and dandy until they started using the same models for ships from both the other side of the galaxy (VOY) and from 200 years in the past (ENT). That stretches credibility a bit.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Well, that’s all fine and dandy until they started using the same models for ships from both the other side of the galaxy (VOY) and from 200 years in the past (ENT). That stretches credibility a bit.

Those were definitely the limited budgets when Physical Models ruled & CGI was expensive & new.

The Trek Production teams were slower than B5 on adopting early CGI.