Spoilers Stranger Things - Season 5
- Thread starter The Grinch Doctor
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I don't care about Will being gay, that's fine (and well-telegraphed), but that was one long-ass scene, taking up valuable screen time.
What's getting to me is Hopper murdering US soldiers left and right. What the fuck? They're just guys with families doing their jobs, they're not evil.
What's getting to me is Hopper murdering US soldiers left and right. What the fuck? They're just guys with families doing their jobs, they're not evil.
A lot of the kids have been involved in murdering soldiers. El for sure.
They kept a girl prisoner and used innocent women as incubator. That put these people in the "evil" category.
SO were the Russian soilders in series 3, just there doing their jobs with families back home.....
What makes a soldier good or evil? Is it their nation of birth or the orders they are operating under?
Can soldiers be considered evil at all? Or just tools of the state roped in by flase promises or conscription and made to carry out the evil orders of old corrupt men?
Either way those soldiers were in the way and hooper needed to get through them.
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USA was up to all sorts of evil and shady shit in the 1980's.
Iran contra anyone?
Just following orders isn't a get out. If those soilders are involved in doing some illegal and horrific experiments on humans.....well sucks to be them.
Hooper does mention they looked like special forces so likey some black op.
Nancy too!
Iran Contra was the first big political scandal in the U.S. I followed as it was happening. You also have actual soldiers on the ground as "observers" in Nicaragua and El Salvador, and he manipulations of governments in southeast Asia. And all the other manipulation of foreign governments beginning in the late forties.
I don't blame the US soilders at all. It was all down to the politicians.
However they were carrying out immoral orders. If any got hurt in that mess then the guilt for that is on the politicians not the person doing the shooting.
Same principle stranger things.
The US soliders are not really to blame, but they are carrying out immoral orders and playing with outright dangerous shit. If El, Nancy or Hopper kill some of them then those deaths are on the politicians or politician who authorised the shitshow.
The problem with killing all the soldiers isn't moral, it's legal.
At minimum, one would expect Hopper will face some legal consequences if he survives a "happy ending." Even if it's a black ops project which the government buries, they will be looking for who took so many servicemen out of commission.
At minimum, one would expect Hopper will face some legal consequences if he survives a "happy ending." Even if it's a black ops project which the government buries, they will be looking for who took so many servicemen out of commission.
How would that even work?
Well, otherworldly creatures probably killed more soldiers than Hopper, but there's not going to be legal consequences for them--and the government was well aware of how and why the creatures were in the world. Yes, the government often has selective outrage regarding the loss of life, but they're no longer in a position of pretending to be neutral observers investigating some unrelated act of terror / illegal experiment.
Depends.
In the US and UK It all comes down to the politicians and generals finding the most junior officer you can blame it on.
Just look at My Lai masscre in Vietnam. Only Lt William called got convicted for it ( then pardoned). His senior officers right up to his general knew and encouraged what went on
In the UK you had bloody Sunday. They managed to pin it on a single lance corporal despite the fact the debacle was caused by a lt colonel who was known to over use force.
Yes - ish.
Everything there being a duplicate has been a key part of how the upside down works since season 1. Although they're not a duplicate of what's in the real world now, they're a duplicate of what Hawkins looked like on a specific date before the show began (I forget exactly when, but Nancy saw that her diary was several years out of date when she found it in the upside down).
But it's not everything in our reality, the upside down is only Hawkins and surrounding area - the rest of the world doesn't exist there.
I thought it was set to the date Will was kidnapped.
Firebird, that's really cool. Thanks for posting that.
Damn, they must be riding high right now.
