I think they mean "Where did this picture come from?"
Starfleet Academy Starship Thread
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Pretty sure that the answer to that is very obvious since this is the thread about StarFleet Academy Starships.
If it's not AI, it came from previews of the show itself.
You would be correct
I don't recognise it from any of the previews and it has no logo on it like every other still so I am curious if it is fanart. Which would render criticisms about the starbase and arrays moot since it isn't 'real'
If the answer was very obvious why did you need to make two guesses?
I think it started with ENT, when they basically used production values straight from the show that had just ended previously for another show set 200 years before it. Then CBSAA followed in UPN's footsteps.
Didn't help with Star Trek V and VI. Plus the damn ugly use of Miranda and Excelsior classes.
Spent some time analyzing all the available glimpses we got so far of the Athena to create a couple of orthographic views of the ship. I’m fairly confident about the details on the saucer, but there hasn’t been any clear view yet on the nacelles that are housed under those wings / shrouds. We can see the yellow lights of sharply angled triangle Bussard collectors in the preview clip, but not how the entire nacelle continues to the back. So as a result there’s a lot of conjecture in this as far as the warp nacelles are concerned.
I’m also not super sure I understand how exactly those gills / scales / aperture-like elements between the inner saucer and the outer ring are supposed to work. The on-set graphics always show them as fully closed, but in none of the footage released so far do they actually look fully closed up. Most of the time they are halfway closed with those four “bridges” extended from one side to the other (which perhaps not coincidentally are very reminiscent of the Discovery saucer design). Will be interesting to see if there’s any logic to those configurations in the show.
As usually happens, spending a lot of of time studying the ship design gives one a lot of appreciation for it. At first glance I thought the design looked a bit flat and two-dimensional and it’s somewhat cringe how closely it maps onto the badges they are all wearing. But now I really like how organic it looks with those flowing wings and the overlapping “scale” designs repeating everywhere. It really gives the ship the appearance of some majestic underwater creature gliding through space.
My favorite element of the design, however, is the large glass ceiling with the delta and how it localizes the large campus set within the ship. And I also really like the long “cobra neck” protruding downwards from the inner saucer. It features what appears to be shuttlebay openings in the front and back, which may indicate a Galactica-style flight deck spanning the entire length of the neck. There’s one shot in one of the trailers where the neck is missing for some reason, which makes me believe it too can somehow fold into the saucer.
What this whole exercise also made me realize is how nicely they repeated the whole motif of foldable “scales” on the set design itself. Once you notice it you’ll see them everywhere. The Starfleet engineer who designed this must have been a big fan of the Batmobile’s shield from Batman (1989).
I’m also not super sure I understand how exactly those gills / scales / aperture-like elements between the inner saucer and the outer ring are supposed to work. The on-set graphics always show them as fully closed, but in none of the footage released so far do they actually look fully closed up. Most of the time they are halfway closed with those four “bridges” extended from one side to the other (which perhaps not coincidentally are very reminiscent of the Discovery saucer design). Will be interesting to see if there’s any logic to those configurations in the show.
As usually happens, spending a lot of of time studying the ship design gives one a lot of appreciation for it. At first glance I thought the design looked a bit flat and two-dimensional and it’s somewhat cringe how closely it maps onto the badges they are all wearing. But now I really like how organic it looks with those flowing wings and the overlapping “scale” designs repeating everywhere. It really gives the ship the appearance of some majestic underwater creature gliding through space.
My favorite element of the design, however, is the large glass ceiling with the delta and how it localizes the large campus set within the ship. And I also really like the long “cobra neck” protruding downwards from the inner saucer. It features what appears to be shuttlebay openings in the front and back, which may indicate a Galactica-style flight deck spanning the entire length of the neck. There’s one shot in one of the trailers where the neck is missing for some reason, which makes me believe it too can somehow fold into the saucer.
What this whole exercise also made me realize is how nicely they repeated the whole motif of foldable “scales” on the set design itself. Once you notice it you’ll see them everywhere. The Starfleet engineer who designed this must have been a big fan of the Batmobile’s shield from Batman (1989).
Reminds me of the fighting phoenix mascots I've seen for the Academy.
That's a great set of orthos. I'm impressed that you managed to glean enough visual information from the promotional stills to come up with this. To me, the shape of the ship keeps changing with various angles. I suspect the detached floaty bits don't help in that regard. Very well done!Spent some time analyzing all the available glimpses we got so far of the Athena to create a couple of orthographic views of the ship. I’m fairly confident about the details on the saucer, but there hasn’t been any clear view yet on the nacelles that are housed under those wings / shrouds. We can see the yellow lights of sharply angled triangle Bussard collectors in the preview clip, but not how the entire nacelle continues to the back. So as a result there’s a lot of conjecture in this as far as the warp nacelles are concerned.
I’m also not super sure I understand how exactly those gills / scales / aperture-like elements between the inner saucer and the outer ring are supposed to work. The on-set graphics always show them as fully closed, but in none of the footage released so far do they actually look fully closed up. Most of the time they are halfway closed with those four “bridges” extended from one side to the other (which perhaps not coincidentally are very reminiscent of the Discovery saucer design). Will be interesting to see if there’s any logic to those configurations in the show.
As usually happens, spending a lot of of time studying the ship design gives one a lot of appreciation for it. At first glance I thought the design looked a bit flat and two-dimensional and it’s somewhat cringe how closely it maps onto the badges they are all wearing. But now I really like how organic it looks with those flowing wings and the overlapping “scale” designs repeating everywhere. It really gives the ship the appearance of some majestic underwater creature gliding through space.
My favorite element of the design, however, is the large glass ceiling with the delta and how it localizes the large campus set within the ship. And I also really like the long “cobra neck” protruding downwards from the inner saucer. It features what appears to be shuttlebay openings in the front and back, which may indicate a Galactica-style flight deck spanning the entire length of the neck. There’s one shot in one of the trailers where the neck is missing for some reason, which makes me believe it too can somehow fold into the saucer.
What this whole exercise also made me realize is how nicely they repeated the whole motif of foldable “scales” on the set design itself. Once you notice it you’ll see them everywhere. The Starfleet engineer who designed this must have been a big fan of the Batmobile’s shield from Batman (1989).
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The Athena does seem to have less actual floating bits than other ships even though we have seen it morph with the wreath lowering down the neck.
Unless all its parts attach and detach when needed like when the Discovery's nacelles reattached when it went to warp and then detached at sublight. I look forward to seeing more of the ship in motion.
Unless all its parts attach and detach when needed like when the Discovery's nacelles reattached when it went to warp and then detached at sublight. I look forward to seeing more of the ship in motion.
It always sounds like bad comic book writing when I hear that. Or Galaxy Quest.
The impulse engine look with the rest of it makes me say: "By your command..."
The side view makes it look like a big foot rest. I haven't liked any of the 32nd century ship design asthetic shown in ST: D S3 - S5 or the upcoming SFA.Spent some time analyzing all the available glimpses we got so far of the Athena to create a couple of orthographic views of the ship. I’m fairly confident about the details on the saucer, but there hasn’t been any clear view yet on the nacelles that are housed under those wings / shrouds. We can see the yellow lights of sharply angled triangle Bussard collectors in the preview clip, but not how the entire nacelle continues to the back. So as a result there’s a lot of conjecture in this as far as the warp nacelles are concerned.
I’m also not super sure I understand how exactly those gills / scales / aperture-like elements between the inner saucer and the outer ring are supposed to work. The on-set graphics always show them as fully closed, but in none of the footage released so far do they actually look fully closed up. Most of the time they are halfway closed with those four “bridges” extended from one side to the other (which perhaps not coincidentally are very reminiscent of the Discovery saucer design). Will be interesting to see if there’s any logic to those configurations in the show.
As usually happens, spending a lot of of time studying the ship design gives one a lot of appreciation for it. At first glance I thought the design looked a bit flat and two-dimensional and it’s somewhat cringe how closely it maps onto the badges they are all wearing. But now I really like how organic it looks with those flowing wings and the overlapping “scale” designs repeating everywhere. It really gives the ship the appearance of some majestic underwater creature gliding through space.
My favorite element of the design, however, is the large glass ceiling with the delta and how it localizes the large campus set within the ship. And I also really like the long “cobra neck” protruding downwards from the inner saucer. It features what appears to be shuttlebay openings in the front and back, which may indicate a Galactica-style flight deck spanning the entire length of the neck. There’s one shot in one of the trailers where the neck is missing for some reason, which makes me believe it too can somehow fold into the saucer.
What this whole exercise also made me realize is how nicely they repeated the whole motif of foldable “scales” on the set design itself. Once you notice it you’ll see them everywhere. The Starfleet engineer who designed this must have been a big fan of the Batmobile’s shield from Batman (1989).
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Voyager and the Enterprise-E both look like spoons. The Enterprise-D looks like a duck floating in a pond. Welcome to Star Trek ship design.The side view makes it look like a big foot rest. I haven't liked any of the 32nd century ship design asthetic shown in ST: D S3 - S5 or the upcoming SFA.
I like that the Earth Defense Force ships are still around. I would assume the defense force was rolled into Starfleet, so those are probably considered starfleet ships now. Hopefully we'll get a class name for it.
I had to google that. That the one that goes back to a shirt design from the official Star Trek website years ago?
But sure, those elements over the warp nacelles look very much like bird feathers.
Thank you! The most helpful information comes from this diagram they quickly show in the preview scene. That’s more or less the basis for my diagram, but then I added a lot of details gathered from other moments when they show the ship.
Yeah, it’s a somewhat complex form that’s not easy to wrap your head around, especially when you only see it in close-ups and quick shots. And yeah, it doesn’t help that its form keeps to change. But I actually think that makes it a more interesting design. I’m really looking forward to see it in action.
You think? I actually can’t recall any of the other 32nd century ships having this many floating elements. The Athena seems to basically be that inner saucer plus the neck, with the outer ring, the warp nacelles and the “wings” (each split into four individual parts) as floating elements, whereas many of the ships we saw in Discovery only had floating warp nacelles.
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Someone else has probably already pointed this out, but looking at those other background ships designed for Discovery I noticed how similar the design of the Friendship class is to the Athena. The warp nacelles look a lot like what seems to be housed under those wings of the Athena, only the fronts are angled outward here instead of inward. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn this was an early starting off point for the Athena design.
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Yeah, I've never cared for a lot of the 24th Century designs either. The only one I thought was okay was the Ambassador Class.
If they'd used that design for TNG instead of the bloated 80s modern art disaster that is the 1701-D, I'd probably have enjoyed the show more.
Still a fan of the original 1701 Enterprise design myself.
Are we certain that the post burn Earth defense ships have been rolled into Starfleet?
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