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The CW is a gasping dying network-SO THERE!

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What's that saying...Those who sow the wind reap the whirlwind...
Well CW formerly UPN is pretty much on the ropes...

I'll bet they would kill for those ENTERPRISE ratings now!

I still can't believe ENTERPRISE was the only Trek show not to get the full 7 years...especiallyin light of how stellar seasons 3 & 4 were.
 
Was it a hugely successful network even when ENT was on air?

If anything, it's gone from being a mediocre network to a slightly more mediocre network.
 
The merger with WB produced something not as good as either was originally.

I'll have to take your word on that. I never received UPN and only got the WGN version of WB. There were some shows I would watch on WB when I would visit parents in Lake Wales, FL. Even in central Florida they did not get UPN. :( I tried and tried to watch Enterprise when visiting but a snowy picture and fading sound from a station 80 miles away was to hard to deal with.
 
The Cw is one of our local stations and I've never been interested in watching the stuff they show is all garbage.
 
Even in central Florida they did not get UPN. :(

Reception may not have been great in Lake Wales, but there was an Orlando UPN station (65), though ENT was often preempted for Magic games.

Would the CW kill for 2-3 million viewers for a very expensive show? I doubt it. And as much as I thought the show got better in its final years, the ratings continued to sink (albeit more slowly). There was really no reason to believe that viewership would ever significantly improve.
 
CW's got Reaper so I will continue to watch it just for that show, oh and I still continue to watch Smallville, but that show is on borrowed time now it seems.
 
CW's got Reaper so I will continue to watch it just for that show, oh and I still continue to watch Smallville, but that show is on borrowed time now it seems.

Unfortunate, but true. The CW really needs a jumpstart or it's dead, IMHO.
 
Once Smallville is over, then the CW can die for all I care; just like the former UPN became dead to me after Enterprise ended.
 
Was it a hugely successful network even when ENT was on air?

If anything, it's gone from being a mediocre network to a slightly more mediocre network.
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It lasted longer with Enterprise than without it!
 
Even in central Florida they did not get UPN. :(

Reception may not have been great in Lake Wales, but there was an Orlando UPN station (65), though ENT was often preempted for Magic games.

Would the CW kill for 2-3 million viewers for a very expensive show? I doubt it. And as much as I thought the show got better in its final years, the ratings continued to sink (albeit more slowly). There was really no reason to believe that viewership would ever significantly improve.

the ratings were deceptive since they didnt take into account the weekend showings.
after the cancelation was annouced several station managers said they were upset since enterprise had their best ratings overall.
 
Was it a hugely successful network even when ENT was on air?

If anything, it's gone from being a mediocre network to a slightly more mediocre network.
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It lasted longer with Enterprise than without it!

Much of UPN's success came from WWE from 1999 onwards.

The fact that UPN changed into the CW after ENT was cancelled doesn't necessarily mean that keeping ENT on air would have kept the network afloat.
 
The biggest mistake for CW and UPN was jumping into the broadcast network business when the world was moving to cable channels. Local channels are good for news and sports. Not much else. If you don't have those you don't have any advantage over cable channels but you do have more expenses.
 
If SMALLVILLE weren't on the network it'd be completely useless to me. Ugh. That channel just plain sucks.
 
The biggest mistake for CW and UPN was jumping into the broadcast network business when the world was moving to cable channels. Local channels are good for news and sports. Not much else. If you don't have those you don't have any advantage over cable channels but you do have more expenses.


Local channels are actually good for a lot!

I don't know where you live, or how old you are. I'm not asking and it's none of my business anyway. But when I was a kid local channels were a great way to capture the local flavor. I grew up in DC. We lived on a hill right off the DC and Maryland border. Because of this, we got both DC and Baltimore TV channels. The fact that you had two different populations in those two cities, with different tastes, different attitudes, and different interests, made for different programing.

It was great. In DC one UHF indepenent would air foreign films, along with Ultraman, and Gigantor. Baltimore would air silent era versions of the Our Gang comedies, along with Tobor the 8th Man, and the Mighty Marvel Superheroes. Before the abomination known as FOX, the was Metromedia Channel 5 which would air the greatest collection of B/W films from the 1930s and 1940s, while Baltimore would air the film noir. Channel 5 was also kind enough to run the Three Stooges, the live action Superman, and of course Star Trek. No C, D, or bloody E. Local channels gave me my first exposure to Dr Who. And then there was Creature Feature, which would air the 1930s Dracula, the Wolfman, and Things to Come.

Local channels aired a lot of great locally produced stuff like Teenorama.

When I got older, 8 and on, the old man started to get nostalgic for the relations, which were spread out between North Carolina and Upstate New York. Holidays and in the summer, we were off to NYC, Pittslburgh, Jersey, Virginia, etc. Again all with different, but great stuff on TV to pimp Kotex, Fords, and Pampers. Hell I never heard of Perry Rodan until my cousin Earl and I watched it in Pittsburgh.

Local channels, like the local paper, gave people things to bond over. Local stations were the shit. Then came FOX, WB, and UPN, and television as we know it started to suck. Instead of airing good stuff to bering people together, these so-called networks provided the worst kind of stereotyoed TV. Sure there's Smallville, and Married With Children, but that doesn't excuse all the other crap these networks aired.

Local channels kicked ass.
 
I really meant "local network channels." There was a day when local network channels meant local news, sports, shows, etc... Then, like local radio much of it went syndicated. Sure, the big 3 show local news. Occasionally we get a local high school game. Maybe once a year. When FOX required their stations to carry local news our FOX channel contracted with the local CBS station and they carry their local news. We do have a local channel or two that carries high school games, parades, etc. It's not a network station.
 
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