I'd promote that post....but.
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Okay, then I'm misremembering. But my point is still my point, minus that part of the point.
The holodeck was never shown to work the way we were told it worked. I'm trying to remember the first scene in Farpoint. I know there were at least two groups or were there three? (I forget when Riker met Wesley and I'm not looking it up.) At least two groups very far apart. And yet they still encounter the "far wall" and Data can throw a rock at it, implying that they can traverse the physical enclosure of the holodeck. It's big, but it's not that big.
I think they probably envisioned a more conventional "3D movie theater" but that went out the window when it became the "make a wish box" almost instantly. Even The Practical Joker's recreation room was able to dig holes in the floor and (because it's a holodeck) do things to become a death trap.
So sure, Take Me Out to the Holosuite is fine. (I just realized why I love that episode so much. It doesn't try to kill them or otherwise impair the ship!)
NO PIPS FOR YOU!
I guess you could say there were three groups in that scene: Data's location, Riker walking into the holodeck and searching for him, and Wesley finding them later, though I don't think it was said if he was in there before Riker entered and was somewhere else in that forest or he entered after Riker did. (Riker tried to warn him about the loose rock because he encountered it himself, but was too late and Wesley fell in the water.)
Then I'd still have more than Harry.
I actually have the hollow pip that he would have gotten had he won the trivia that night so long ago.
(Garrett did give me a good run for my money at the end, with both of us getting each question right until he got the last one wrong and I was able to answer it. The man knows his TREK pretty well, and it was a lot of fun. He's great with fans too, so if you ever do get a chance to meet him, go for it.)
*Tosses my Star Trek Tech Manuals in trash and starts to cry*
DS9 almost entirely avoided ever doing that hoary TNG holo-cliché. The only time they came close was Our Man Bashir, and although they did the "safeties off" routine, Bashir and Garak were free to leave the holosuite to save themselves at any time. (Though of course they did have a pretty good reason to stay.
) It's the only time in the whole series run that they did that kind of holo-ep.And strictly speaking, it's not truly a 'holodeck gone wrong' episode because the holosuite was working correctly. It was simply using the physical "files" of Sisko, Dax, Kira, Worf, and O'Brien as characters in the program.DS9 almost entirely avoided ever doing that hoary TNG holo-cliché. The only time they came close was Our Man Bashir, and although they did the "safeties off" routine, Bashir and Garak were free to leave the holosuite to save themselves at any time. (Though of course they did have a pretty good reason to stay.
That's why it was so genius! It turned the trope to exactly its opposite while still skirting that line of being the trope.
Quite possibly the most fun episode in the entire franchise. (At the very least, is a strong contender for that spot against episodes like "TRIALS AND TRIBBLE-ATIONS", "THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES", "wej Duj", "BADDA-BING, BADDA-BANG", "A PIECE OF THE ACTION", "Qpid", "BRIDE OF CHAOTICA!", and a few others.)
Except for those pesky safeties going offline.
DS9 almost entirely avoided ever doing that hoary TNG holo-cliché. The only time they came close was Our Man Bashir, and although they did the "safeties off" routine, Bashir and Garak were free to leave the holosuite to save themselves at any time. (Though of course they did have a pretty good reason to stay.
Well their was the time Nog ended a holodeck program sitting down and fell on his ass.
Unbidden memory: So I was watching Our Man Bashir in its first run while building a model in my basement workshop. My electric space heater came on and tripped the circuit breaker, plunging the basement into darkness (as they say). I leapt up and ran to the breaker box, not realizing I couldn't see a frelling thing, tripped over the heater and gashed my shin open. I watched the rest of the episode, then went upstairs and showed my wife my booboo, which was 1.5 inches long and wouldn't stop bleeding. She dragged me off to the emergency room. Three stitches. I still have the scar. GREAT episode!
Priorities!Unbidden memory: So I was watching Our Man Bashir in its first run while building a model in my basement workshop. My electric space heater came on and tripped the circuit breaker, plunging the basement into darkness (as they say). I leapt up and ran to the breaker box, not realizing I couldn't see a frelling thing, tripped over the heater and gashed my shin open. I watched the rest of the episode, then went upstairs and showed my wife my booboo, which was 1.5 inches long and wouldn't stop bleeding. She dragged me off to the emergency room. Three stitches. I still have the scar. GREAT episode!
They made such a big deal about this ship having families. And then none of the bridge crew had families. Except Crusher and her kid just wanted to be one of the bridge crew. And he got to be.
Were the families ever seen as an advantage? To anyone? The only episodes that I recall from TNG that featured them are when they were in peril.
I really quite like the idea of a City in Space that Boldly Goes. But it does rather keep stories like "Going toe to toe with the Romulans" off the table. Or it should. I don't mind the ship being in peril, but intentionally flying into combat scenarios? Seems like Starfleet should pick a different ship.
Edit: As opposed to Jake who got to be an actual kid a lot of the time.
I presume the intent was they’d do a saucer sep every time they needed to go into action, but obviously the production didn’t realize how that sequence wasn’t all that dramatic and brought the flow of an episode to a grinding halt, which is why they only did it three times the entire series.
Who cast those two together anyway? And how did DS9 do a better job there?
Bashir & O'Brien once came out of the holodeck wearing 1940 RAF flying gear once. Running a holodeck program in a Spitfire might be problematic if it shuts down. What if your friend is flying above you? SPLAT.
Still, getting to fly in the Battle of Britain, starting with enlistment & flight training in a Tiger Moth would be stunning. Wait until I show my squadron mates the Thach Weave in case our Hurries get jumped. Don't think the Germans would like head-on deflection shots.
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