I can't believe I forgot this one.
I change my answer to "Raise the Titanic!"
I saw 20 minutes of that movie. Oh yeah let's try raising the Titanic intact with lots of airbags on the side
The best Titanic film?
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I saw 20 minutes of that movie. Oh yeah let's try raising the Titanic intact with lots of airbags on the side
Oh fiddle-de-dee! You would turn your nose up at Cameron's Titanic, wouldn't you? You're an elitist, not a populist. Here, at least.
darkwing_duck1
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There's a part of the story NONE of the films get right (or even cover). I first heard it on one of those "Rest of the Story" type shows, IIRC. It concerns the Carpathia.
Everyone knows that Carpathia was the only ship to actively try to reach Titanic before she went down, holding full speed in the dead of night KNOWING that there was an iceburg in the area.
Come the early hours of false-dawn and daylight, and she arrives in the vicinity of Titanic's last reported position. As they begin the search for lifeboats, they realize that they are in the middle of an entire FIELD of iceburgs.
The captain of Carpathia looks back on the course he just sailed, and sees he traversed the ONLY safe passage into the field. Had he been but a few 10s of meters off course either way, his ship would have joined Titanic on the bottom.
He is said to have told his officers upon the sight: "Surely God steered our ship this night..."
Everyone knows that Carpathia was the only ship to actively try to reach Titanic before she went down, holding full speed in the dead of night KNOWING that there was an iceburg in the area.
Come the early hours of false-dawn and daylight, and she arrives in the vicinity of Titanic's last reported position. As they begin the search for lifeboats, they realize that they are in the middle of an entire FIELD of iceburgs.
The captain of Carpathia looks back on the course he just sailed, and sees he traversed the ONLY safe passage into the field. Had he been but a few 10s of meters off course either way, his ship would have joined Titanic on the bottom.
He is said to have told his officers upon the sight: "Surely God steered our ship this night..."
I can't believe I forgot this one.
I change my answer to "Raise the Titanic!"
I saw 20 minutes of that movie. Oh yeah let's try raising the Titanic intact with lots of airbags on the side
In their defense, when Raise the Titanic was written/made the wreck hadn't been discovered yet and it wasn't known that the ship was in two pieces or that it was in a very dire state due to deep-ocean organisms.
I really can't stand the beginning of Cameron's Titanic; the love story is horrible and I had to be poked awake a couple of times when I first saw it in the theater. Now once it hits the iceberg...then it gets going.
I wish I could watch the movie with this beginning and then watch Cameron's masterful view of the sinking ship, then blame Rose for Jack's death and then thank Rose for Jack's death.
I would give the first half of the movie a 5 and a 9 from the point the ship hits the iceberg.
Aliens and T2 are much better movies.
I wish I could watch the movie with this beginning and then watch Cameron's masterful view of the sinking ship, then blame Rose for Jack's death and then thank Rose for Jack's death.
I would give the first half of the movie a 5 and a 9 from the point the ship hits the iceberg.
Aliens and T2 are much better movies.
"I'm going to sink this bitch!"
Haven't seen that since its original run way back in 1998.
"I'm going to sink this bitch!"
Haven't seen that since its original run way back in 1998.
"Get out of the passing lane moron!"
"I launch and nobody cares..."
darkwing_duck1
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I can't believe I forgot this one.
I change my answer to "Raise the Titanic!"
I saw 20 minutes of that movie. Oh yeah let's try raising the Titanic intact with lots of airbags on the side
In their defense, when Raise the Titanic was written/made the wreck hadn't been discovered yet and it wasn't known that the ship was in two pieces or that it was in a very dire state due to deep-ocean organisms.
And using airbags to lift large objects to the surface is a routine part of marine salvage/rescue operations, though no one had considered trying it with an object that BIG up until that time.
One part that I do not like about Cameron's is that it ignores one of the most important events of that evening and that is the Californian which was about ten miles away and could clearly see Titanic's distress calls. There was actually footage shot but it was left on the cutting room floor. I mean, the film was three and a half hours long. What's another ten or fifteen?
One portion of the Titanic disaster I would love to see explored in the movies is more of the aftermath of the sinking, the world's reaction, Carpathia reaching New York to drop off the survivors, and maybe even going into the inquiries that were held.
It is generally believed that White Star Line was asking the survivors who were eyewitnesses to not reveal that the ship had broke in two as she went down for fear that this would lead people to believe that they built flimsy ships. That's something I would love to see explored.
If you're at all interested in those hearings held, I found a great site called Titanic Inquiry that has records from those both held in Britain and the United States.
http://www.titanicinquiry.org/
I think those three were at the theatre when I saw it.
I agree about them cutting the scenes with the Califorinian. It is on Youtube and it shows that when they tried to warn the Titanic of the icefield they were so close the signal nearly burst the Titanics marconi operators eardrum. He blasted back Shut Up. The californian marconi guy turned off his radio and turned in for the night. When he stepped out of his cabin to go to his room they were surrounded by ice sheets and bergs. It makes you wonder what could have been. Just I am typing this at this time I can only imagine the horror going on right now at this time 96 years ago. Amazing. Cameron left out a key historical event when he cut that scene. It would have made audiences more emotional and pissed at Ismay. Just think. Eight miles away and could see the rockets and lights. In the Titanic movie with George C. Scott as captain Smith he was pissed that the ship wasn't responding looking from the bridge. One aspect is they didn't respond because they had changed to a different color rocket when it burst. Captain Lord of the California was notified but he asked what color they were and they said white and he turned in for the night.
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I wish they were there when I saw it. I would have stayed awake and most likely been thrown out of the theater when Tom says "Come one everybody dance like Mr. Green Jeans"
Better those guys than the crying women in the completely packed theater. The moment the lights went up, tissues were all over the floor. I still remember people cheering when rose spit on Calvin.
The portrayal of Calvin and his aristocratic ways felt really cliche. It reminded me of "Far and Away" with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.
There was also the stench of early and preteen girls perfume.
God I hate how music and TV have been jumping all over that demographic. Tasteless little girls shouldn't have that much power over the media.
There was also the stench of early and preteen girls perfume.
God I hate how music and TV have been jumping all over that demographic. Tasteless little girls shouldn't have that much power over the media.
On the flip side of the coin I went to a midnight showing in an urban theater where there were a few gang bangers..
darkwing_duck1
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If you're referring to reports that those on Titanic could SEE a nearby ship at one point, that wasn't Californian.
There are several theories as to what ship was there, including a Norwegian fishing vessel illegally harvesting seals, and one or more smaller vessels.
http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/Users/McLean/Titpaper.PDF (among other sources)
darkwing_duck1
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That's the way a lot of rich people felt back then...and they still do today.
Granted. But as I've defended the 300 (hardly an elitist film by any means) and Crash (which it's just as popular to trash); I do not criticise popular films for the virtue of them being popular; or even brainless; or unfaithful to history, or whatever. But I do criticise them if they're not entertaining. Titanic did not amuse me.Oh fiddle-de-dee! You would turn your nose up at Cameron's Titanic, wouldn't you? You're an elitist, not a populist. Here, at least.
Airbags are the norm for shallow water lifting but due to Boyle's Law would be next to impossible to use at the depth Titanic sits. At 33 feet below sea level atmosphereic pressure doubles and every 33 feet deeper you go another atmosphere is added.
An open one gallon jug filled with air at the surface would be half gilled with water at 33 feet. and so forth. Since the Titanic is resting at 12,600 feet, so that would be 383 atmospheres.
So you would need 383 cubic feet of air to have just one cubic foot at depth. Even using high pressure cylinders, it would be an impossible task. (a standard SCUBA cylinder is equal to 80 cubic feet pf pressurized air).
The explosive expansion of the gas as it neared the surface would rip the ship apart.
Raise The Titanic was sloppy science and they knew it.
Oil filled bladders are used for deep water salvage. They are slower but do expand on contract under pressure. Since oil is lighter than water, then rise to the surface. That was used to salvage the section of Titanic hull now on exhibit.
It's also thought that Californian wouldn't have been able to get there in time to help anyway, since they were stuck in ice all night. The funny thing about the movie is that had Rose simply got into a lifeboat, which as a first class female passenger she would have done with no problems, Jack could have survived by sitting on that giant piece of wood until he was picked up.
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