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Well, I've got no problem saying I'm a monarchist. I want no part of any government system involving a president.

My point is that the GG and LG do have duties. And their letting bad legislation go through is what their duties say they are NOT supposed to do. Granted, it should only be in extraordinary circumstances.

The circumstances in Alberta are extraordinary. The LG should be acting. It's not enough to shrug and say the courts will sort it out. Smith just fires anyone who investigates stuff when they get too close to blowing the whistle.

Now which orange individual does that sound like?
 
I don't know, I'm of the opinion that the GG and the LGs are figureheads only, and should stay that way. I have to agree with Ovation that an LG refusing to sign into law a bill passed by a legally elected parliament would trigger a huge constitutional crisis here. I can see the desire in this case, because the Alberta government is trampling all over Albertans' rights. But do you really want this to be a thing, when there's the possibility that a Maple MAGA may end up as LG in the future, or something like that? The monarchy, and their representatives, should be strictly hands-off. There have been times when I had thought that it would be nice if the GG refused a prorogation request, but after thinking about it, I realized that I don't really want them insinuating themselves in our politics. They can handle the ceremonial functions, but actual decisions should be in the hands of our elected representatives.

The problem is the NWC itself. I know the history as to why they felt they had to include it. But it was intended to be basically the "nuclear option". The theory was that any sitting government who used the NWC to override the rights of its citizenry would suffer the wrath of said citizenry, and it would basically be political suicide to use it. They did not seem to foresee what we are seeing now, where provincial governments just invoke it when they are writing up the legislation (not even waiting for it to be challenged in court)... and their supporters cheer them on for doing so.

When our rights can be legislated away at a premier's whim, we don't really have "rights".

I’m not taking a position on the desirability of the monarchy itself

I haven't exactly been shy in this thread about expressing my anti-monarchy sentiments, so your "worst case" scenario doesn't necessarily sound all that bad to me.
 
Shouldn't it be MCGA?

Perhaps, but the other term seems to be what the zeitgeist has decided on.

And to be fair, there seems to be a not-insignificant subset of the group who don’t actually want anything to do with Canada, and prefer to either emigrate to the US, have their province/region secede from Canada and be independent, or have the US take over their province/region.
 
that would be something that the canadian political trumpers parties would say

and sadly we've got a group of conservatives who a pretty much that lead by the M.P for Oshawa

don't read the article after eating.

 
Shouldn't it be MCGA?

You're referring to "Maple MAGA"?

There was a time when some CPC MPs and Albertan MLAs were openly wearing "Make Alberta Great Again" hats. So the term for anyone in Canada supporting Trump/his policies has become "Maple MAGA"

Alberta wasn't in need of being "made great again" until the fascists under Jason Kenney got hold of it in 2017. Then, when he wasn't moving fast enough for the backroom handlers (known as Take Back Alberta), they ousted him as premier and put in the current (w)itch from hell.

Maple MAGAs are comprised of people who either want independence from Canada (thinking they can still use the Canadian dollar and tap into other federal benefits that Danielle Smith hasn't ripped away already), they want complete independence under the delusion that the rest of the countries in the world would recognize it as a separate country and enter into trade deals and that we could make deals with either BC or the northern U.S. states to get goods to the coast for shipping, they want Alberta to join the U.S. as the 51st state, or they think Western Canada (BC - Manitoba) should either be independent or be the 51st state.

As far as I'm concerned, if they don't want to be part of Canada, they should just pack up and leave for whatever other country will take them - and never come back.
 
and sadly we've got a group of conservatives who a pretty much that lead by the M.P for Oshawa

don't read the article after eating.


I really want the CPC to ditch Poilievre as leader. However, I just know that instead of putting in someone moderate, they'd instead vote in someone as bad or even worse, like Jivani.
 
I really want the CPC to ditch Poilievre as leader. However, I just know that instead of putting in someone moderate, they'd instead vote in someone as bad or even worse, like Jivani.

pierre poilieve is like the canadian canun cruz

well ppc and rebel news are much worse than that news reporter turned politican jivani
 
I think Tod Maffin's been posted before, and this is a video in regards to Pete Hoekstra. He is right on the money, and in fact he missed a few things. I'd add the time the American administration pressured the Canadian government to abandon the Avro Arrow program which had a tremendous effect on our aerospace industry. And what about most recently during the Freedom Convoy's encampment in Ottawa, which had a lot of support and funds from the right wing and some Republicans, which was a large reason for cutting off the funds .

And of course no mention of the nice things we've done for America, such as the time during the Iranian hostage crisis when Canadians hid Americans and gave them Canadian passports so that those hostages could escape. Oh and that time they made a movie about it and minimized Canada's involvement to make Americans look like the heroes. Where's our credit? And what about Operation Yellow Ribbon which during 9/11 had planes diverted to Canadian airports and taken care of while the situation unfolded. The American ambassador to Canada likes to say we're meddling, but he frankly has no clue or doesn't care enough that the U.S has done much worse to us.


Oh and there's language. Just thought I'd point that out.
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the American administration pressured the Canadian government to abandon the Avro Arrow

Wait, what??

Oh… the other one. Nevermind, then.

Nice vid. The American government has always been the epitome of “do as I say, not as I do”. They love to meddle in the affairs of other countries, but then they throw a fit over this little bit of advertising. Even though it’s their Republican hero’s own words. Changing the order of the sentences doesn’t change the point of the message.
 
Wait, what??

Oh… the other one. Nevermind, then.

Yeah, that was quite a ways back.. :lol:

And yes, interesting how the current administration got their panties in a twist over the ad. It's not even untruthful unlike they're claiming. They just don't like a Republican's words thrown back at them, especially when they sound more presidential than the current menace.
 
For some reason, mine is taking a lot longer than some others that were started after hers.

Now there's one who's whining that the person who filed his recall petition shouldn't be allowed to do that because he "didn't vote in the provincial election."

First off, how would he know that unless he dug into the voter's list and checked to see who voted and who didn't? That's a gross violation of the rights of voters. It's none of the candidates' business who did or didn't vote at all, like it's none of their business who a voter voted for (if they voted).

Voting isn't compulsory in Alberta. The only requirements to file a recall petition is that the person doing so must be a Canadian citizen over 18 years of age, they have to submit the required paperwork and a $500 fee, and be resident in the riding whose MLA they're trying to get recalled.

The UCP are desperately twisting themselves into pretzels to try to find reasons to convince judges and the Chief Electoral Officer that this is all some NDP/union-led plot, perpetrated by evil people who want to "topple the government."

Well, they got one thing right. We do want to topple the government and force an election. But the thing about elections is that they're democratic. None of the bullshit Smith and her thugs are doing now resembles democracy in any way.
 
Some of us are just waiting and wondering what else she's going to use the notwithstanding clause on for a whammy. She just loves using it, the way Trump loves using executive orders.

If she wanted to achieve the distinction of being the most hated woman in Alberta, she's managed it in spades.
 
We have a guy driving in our city who drives a Toyota Corolla with a huge F*ck Carney flag bolted onto the back, and turns out he's also into UFOs, according to his license plate, and I'm pretty sure I actually know who it is. He must have been stopped by the cops at some point, surely, as the monstrosity is big enough to obscure his vision from seeing out his back. Before that, it was the F*ck Trudeau flags. You can see them from a mile away and they always seem to think they're so clever.
 
We now have 17 Alberta MLAs who are in various stages of being recalled. Unfortunately one of them is the NDP critic for Education, but we're hoping that the fact that she was elected and a UCP idiot wasn't will mean that the petition will fail or that if it does go to a byelection, she'll win again.

My own MLA is facing recall and of course she's whining about it, and falsely taking credit for all the things she didn't do, and I CANNOT WAIT TO SIGN THAT PETITION. She is such a horrible waste of atoms personally, as well as politically.

Former Alberta premier Jason Kenney says recall legislation being misused

Architect of bill says it was meant to be used in cases of illegal or unethical behaviour


The architect of Alberta's politician recall legislation says it was never meant to be used as a political weapon, but as an "ultimate tool of accountability" if a politician engages in illegal or unethical behaviour.

Jason Kenney gave the remarks in an interview Thursday as the party he helped create — the United Conservatives — has 14 of its caucus members facing recall petitions from angry citizens using the legislation he crafted when he was Alberta's first UCP premier.

"My government purposely set very high thresholds," Kenney said. "Frankly, we replicated the thresholds developed in British Columbia in 1991 under an NDP government to ensure there's a really broad public demand for a byelection.

"We have it as an ultimate tool of accountability if a politician does something absolutely egregious, illegal, grossly unethical."

He added, "You get a shot at your MLAs or MP's once every four years (in a general election). If you have policy differences, that's where to settle that."

Kenney served as Alberta's premier from 2019 before stepping down in 2022. He also served as a cabinet minister in former prime minster Stephen Harper's government.

Along with the 14 members of Smith's United Conservative caucus facing recall, Smith herself is expected to soon be added to the list.

A petitioner seeking the recall campaign against Smith says she has been given the green light, but must await a formal announcement before she can begin collecting signatures.

The theme of those seeking recall is that UCP politicians are not listening to constituent concerns, not acting on their behalf and broke trust by overriding teachers' rights by using the Charter's notwithstanding clause to end a provincewide strike in October.

In response, UCP members — backbenchers, cabinet ministers and even house Speaker Ric McIver — reject the allegations and have pointed out specific initiatives and projects that have helped their constituencies on their watch.

A United Conservative caucus spokesperson has said the recall process is meant for major breaches of duty, and not for policy disagreements.

Kenney agreed, saying that when it comes to "taking a position in a union negotiation that you don't like — you can disagree, fair enough — but you make your case in the next election."

Kenney said the notwithstanding clause was the result of the 1982 decision to repatriate the Canadian Constitution and requested by all of the premiers, including Saskatchewan's NDP premier Allan Blakeney.

"The notwithstanding clause is a part of the Charter of Rights. In fact, there would be no Charter of rights without the notwithstanding clause," Kenney said.

"It's a very elegant balance between our democratic system and an independent judiciary."

Kenney said the increased use of the clause is because of the actions of the courts.

"I think that's more of a reflection of the shrinking humility of the courts to limit themselves to strict interpretation of legislation and to become increasingly aggressive and assertive — and so this is an entirely predictable response to that," he said.

Under Alberta's Recall Act, petitioners have three months to collect signatures equal to 60 per cent of the total number of votes cast in the constituency in the 2023 election.

If successful, a vote is held on whether the representative gets to keep their seat. If the member loses, a byelection is held.

Source.

To which I say, "Yes, and...?" The UCP has stood for United Corruption Party from the get-go. Kenney didn't even manage to win his party leadership place without cheating (shades of how Stephen Harper never managed to win an election without cheating). You don't get to dismantle education, health care, and social services for the disabled and NOT be engaging in illegal, unethical things.

Even just the fact that these POSs refuse to engage with constituents in a meaningful way when it comes to acknowledging and replying to emails, snail mail, and phone calls and routinely block people on social media if they don't worship the ground that these MLAs strut on is sufficient in my books to recall them. My own MLA blocked me years ago when she was Minister of Gutting Public Education (it sure as hell wasn't actual EDUCATION she was promoting) after I posted exactly what I thought of her ridiculous attempt at a new curriculum. Now apparently she is/isn't the Minister of Health (who can keep up with the cheese shredder way that Smith has been "restructuring" the public health system in Alberta?) and is STILL blocking people.
 
We have a guy driving in our city who drives a Toyota Corolla with a huge F*ck Carney flag bolted onto the back, and turns out he's also into UFOs, according to his license plate, and I'm pretty sure I actually know who it is. He must have been stopped by the cops at some point, surely, as the monstrosity is big enough to obscure his vision from seeing out his back. Before that, it was the F*ck Trudeau flags. You can see them from a mile away and they always seem to think they're so clever.

It’s kind of telling how deeply, truly unpopular Poilievre is amongst left-leaning and centrist people… and yet I’ve never seen, nor heard of, a “F*CK POILIEVRE” flag. Kind of shows you where the level of discourse is on one side.

Former Alberta premier Jason Kenney says recall legislation being misused

Architect of bill says it was meant to be used in cases of illegal or unethical behaviour

And the Notwithstanding Clause was intended to be for extraordinary cases, not invoked as a matter of course whenever you wanted to create a law that makes life more difficult for minority groups you don’t like.

And yet here we are.
 
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