The Maple Leaf Lounge

[Timewalker]

Well, I've got no problem saying I'm a monarchist. I want no part of any government system involving a president.

My point is that the GG and LG do have duties. And their letting bad legislation go through is what their duties say they are NOT supposed to do. Granted, it should only be in extraordinary circumstances.

The circumstances in Alberta are extraordinary. The LG should be acting. It's not enough to shrug and say the courts will sort it out. Smith just fires anyone who investigates stuff when they get too close to blowing the whistle.

Now which orange individual does that sound like?

 

[Avro Arrow]

I don't know, I'm of the opinion that the GG and the LGs are figureheads only, and should stay that way. I have to agree with Ovation that an LG refusing to sign into law a bill passed by a legally elected parliament would trigger a huge constitutional crisis here. I can see the desire in this case, because the Alberta government is trampling all over Albertans' rights. But do you really want this to be a thing, when there's the possibility that a Maple MAGA may end up as LG in the future, or something like that? The monarchy, and their representatives, should be strictly hands-off. There have been times when I had thought that it would be nice if the GG refused a prorogation request, but after thinking about it, I realized that I don't really want them insinuating themselves in our politics. They can handle the ceremonial functions, but actual decisions should be in the hands of our elected representatives.

The problem is the NWC itself. I know the history as to why they felt they had to include it. But it was intended to be basically the "nuclear option". The theory was that any sitting government who used the NWC to override the rights of its citizenry would suffer the wrath of said citizenry, and it would basically be political suicide to use it. They did not seem to foresee what we are seeing now, where provincial governments just invoke it when they are writing up the legislation (not even waiting for it to be challenged in court)... and their supporters cheer them on for doing so.

When our rights can be legislated away at a premier's whim, we don't really have "rights".

I’m not taking a position on the desirability of the monarchy itself

I haven't exactly been shy in this thread about expressing my anti-monarchy sentiments, so your "worst case" scenario doesn't necessarily sound all that bad to me.

 

[Set Harth]

Shouldn't it be MCGA?

 

[Avro Arrow]

Shouldn't it be MCGA?

Perhaps, but the other term seems to be what the zeitgeist has decided on.

And to be fair, there seems to be a not-insignificant subset of the group who don’t actually want anything to do with Canada, and prefer to either emigrate to the US, have their province/region secede from Canada and be independent, or have the US take over their province/region.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

Shouldn't it be MCGA?

that would be something that the canadian political trumpers parties would say

 

[Marc]

that would be something that the canadian political trumpers parties would say

and sadly we've got a group of conservatives who a pretty much that lead by the M.P for Oshawa

don't read the article after eating.

Conservative MPs denounce ‘Liberal racism’ and DEI during Jamil Jivani event

Bowmanville—Oshawa North MP Jamil Jivani said “a repackaged form of old bigotry, old discrimination” is eroding meritocracy, eradicating diversity of thought and tearing Canadians apart.

www.thestar.com

 

[Timewalker]

Shouldn't it be MCGA?

You're referring to "Maple MAGA"?

There was a time when some CPC MPs and Albertan MLAs were openly wearing "Make Alberta Great Again" hats. So the term for anyone in Canada supporting Trump/his policies has become "Maple MAGA"

Alberta wasn't in need of being "made great again" until the fascists under Jason Kenney got hold of it in 2017. Then, when he wasn't moving fast enough for the backroom handlers (known as Take Back Alberta), they ousted him as premier and put in the current (w)itch from hell.

Maple MAGAs are comprised of people who either want independence from Canada (thinking they can still use the Canadian dollar and tap into other federal benefits that Danielle Smith hasn't ripped away already), they want complete independence under the delusion that the rest of the countries in the world would recognize it as a separate country and enter into trade deals and that we could make deals with either BC or the northern U.S. states to get goods to the coast for shipping, they want Alberta to join the U.S. as the 51st state, or they think Western Canada (BC - Manitoba) should either be independent or be the 51st state.

As far as I'm concerned, if they don't want to be part of Canada, they should just pack up and leave for whatever other country will take them - and never come back.

 

[Avro Arrow]

and sadly we've got a group of conservatives who a pretty much that lead by the M.P for Oshawa

don't read the article after eating.

Conservative MPs denounce ‘Liberal racism’ and DEI during Jamil Jivani event

Bowmanville—Oshawa North MP Jamil Jivani said “a repackaged form of old bigotry, old discrimination” is eroding meritocracy, eradicating diversity of thought and tearing Canadians apart.

www.thestar.com

I really want the CPC to ditch Poilievre as leader. However, I just know that instead of putting in someone moderate, they'd instead vote in someone as bad or even worse, like Jivani.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

I really want the CPC to ditch Poilievre as leader. However, I just know that instead of putting in someone moderate, they'd instead vote in someone as bad or even worse, like Jivani.

pierre poilieve is like the canadian canun cruz

well ppc and rebel news are much worse than that news reporter turned politican jivani

 

[Owain Taggart]

I think Tod Maffin's been posted before, and this is a video in regards to Pete Hoekstra. He is right on the money, and in fact he missed a few things. I'd add the time the American administration pressured the Canadian government to abandon the Avro Arrow program which had a tremendous effect on our aerospace industry. And what about most recently during the Freedom Convoy's encampment in Ottawa, which had a lot of support and funds from the right wing and some Republicans, which was a large reason for cutting off the funds .

And of course no mention of the nice things we've done for America, such as the time during the Iranian hostage crisis when Canadians hid Americans and gave them Canadian passports so that those hostages could escape. Oh and that time they made a movie about it and minimized Canada's involvement to make Americans look like the heroes. Where's our credit? And what about Operation Yellow Ribbon which during 9/11 had planes diverted to Canadian airports and taken care of while the situation unfolded. The American ambassador to Canada likes to say we're meddling, but he frankly has no clue or doesn't care enough that the U.S has done much worse to us.


Oh and there's language. Just thought I'd point that out.

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[Avro Arrow]

the American administration pressured the Canadian government to abandon the Avro Arrow

Wait, what??

Oh… the other one. Nevermind, then.

Nice vid. The American government has always been the epitome of “do as I say, not as I do”. They love to meddle in the affairs of other countries, but then they throw a fit over this little bit of advertising. Even though it’s their Republican hero’s own words. Changing the order of the sentences doesn’t change the point of the message.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Wait, what??

Oh… the other one. Nevermind, then.

Yeah, that was quite a ways back..

And yes, interesting how the current administration got their panties in a twist over the ad. It's not even untruthful unlike they're claiming. They just don't like a Republican's words thrown back at them, especially when they sound more presidential than the current menace.

 

[Ovation]

especially when they sound more presidential than the current menace.

A very low bar to be sure.

 

[Ovation]

Seems as many as 9 UCP MLAs are facing potential recall motions. Could make for exciting times in Alberta.

 

[Timewalker]

For some reason, mine is taking a lot longer than some others that were started after hers.

Now there's one who's whining that the person who filed his recall petition shouldn't be allowed to do that because he "didn't vote in the provincial election."

First off, how would he know that unless he dug into the voter's list and checked to see who voted and who didn't? That's a gross violation of the rights of voters. It's none of the candidates' business who did or didn't vote at all, like it's none of their business who a voter voted for (if they voted).

Voting isn't compulsory in Alberta. The only requirements to file a recall petition is that the person doing so must be a Canadian citizen over 18 years of age, they have to submit the required paperwork and a $500 fee, and be resident in the riding whose MLA they're trying to get recalled.

The UCP are desperately twisting themselves into pretzels to try to find reasons to convince judges and the Chief Electoral Officer that this is all some NDP/union-led plot, perpetrated by evil people who want to "topple the government."

Well, they got one thing right. We do want to topple the government and force an election. But the thing about elections is that they're democratic. None of the bullshit Smith and her thugs are doing now resembles democracy in any way.

 

[Ovation]

According to the latest report I heard, it’s now 14 UCP MLAs facing recall. Quite the pickle for Danielle.

 

[Timewalker]

Some of us are just waiting and wondering what else she's going to use the notwithstanding clause on for a whammy. She just loves using it, the way Trump loves using executive orders.

If she wanted to achieve the distinction of being the most hated woman in Alberta, she's managed it in spades.