What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[XCV330]

Starfleet is not a military organization. Its purpose is exploration. Happy to have an argumentation tho so drop opinions on that

No one has ever discussed this before. Thank you for finally bringing this up. We've all been circling the very real issue in star trek. But now that you have unearthed this root of the vine, I have no doubt that we shall all finally come to consensus after an appropriate amount of discussion and arrive at proof of your completely factual claim.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

Here’s controversial.

Starfleet is a in every sense a military organization and I have absolutely no problem with that.

Exploration is one of Starfleet’s remits and historically that has always been one of the goals of the military.

The reason not so much these days is we are by and large done with the exploration of our planet.

 

[1001001]

No one has ever discussed this before. Thank you for finally bringing this up. We've all been circling the very real issue in star trek. But now that you have unearthed this root of the vine, I have no doubt that we shall all finally come to consensus after an appropriate amount of discussion and arrive at proof of your completely factual claim.

Okay that was pretty funny, but let’s try to be welcoming of new folks.

 

[Frostscape One]

Here’s controversial.

Starfleet is a in every sense a military organization and I have absolutely no problem with that.

Exploration is one of Starfleet’s remits and historically that has always been one of the goals of the military.

The reason not so much these days is we are by and large done with the exploration of our planet.

100% agreed.

I think a very likely reason why some people have a problem with Starfleet being a military is because they themselves don't have a good opinion about the military and don't want to accept Starfleet is one because they feel it would cast a bad light on Starfleet and shatter their illusion. So they cling onto this illusion of Starfleet not being one all because Picard has one line of dialogue in "Peak Performance" that they latch onto to 'prove' Starfleet isn't one.

Even though there are hundreds of episodes that completely disprove that single line.

 

[Set Harth]

For not a military they sure do a mean court martial.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

Starfleet is what a military looks like in a utopia.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Starfleet is what a military looks like in a utopia.

Too bad the Federation isn't a utopia.

No, no, Bones, this time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through, struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.

 

[FredH]

Too bad the Federation isn't a utopia.

No, no, Bones, this time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through, struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.

Personally, I’d be happy to lazily stroll to the lute, having struggled enough for one lifetime.

 

[knightgrace]

Here's the real question: was the SS Beagle armed('Bread andCircuses')? In other words if things went pair shaped how long till help?

Very realistically posting.

Because she was missing for six years...

The next question is did any of her crew try to send an emergency message? And were they stopped from doing so? By her Captain?

In other words how stupid were they? The Captain, was...but what about the rest of the crew?

And this gets back to the American pioneers of the nineteenth century. They can be divided into three groups. The first group, 'we don't need guns, except for occasional hunting. ' The second group 'Yah, we need guns...zzz, say what? And the last group were at the ready - not bothered.

The last group always showed that they were willing and able to defend themselves. Pretending that there are no hostiles "out there" even gangs of Europeans is not something that produces long life.

In still other words, how much were/are ships like the SS Beagle like the Dutch East India Company?

If commercial ships were expected to surrender and die, then what is the point of going out there to die? In other words if you stayed home, you would be a prisoner of United Earth...

 

[Alisa]

No one has ever discussed this before. Thank you for finally bringing this up. We've all been circling the very real issue in star trek. But now that you have unearthed this root of the vine, I have no doubt that we shall all finally come to consensus after an appropriate amount of discussion and arrive at proof of your completely factual claim.

I just joined this forum three days ago I didn't know it was the core of conversation here. if I would've been here longer and actually knew that I wouldn't have brought this up

 

[Forbin]

Star Trek lost it's one chance of being edgy and cool when Enterprise rejected the idea of having hip musical acts every week. What where they thinking! Nothing would have been more cool then watching the crew enjoying the music of NIckleback in the mess hall.

It'd be better than more Mozart. And I love Mozart.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

We all said we wouldn’t gone do it again, but we gone did it again anyways.

I just joined this forum three days ago I didn't know it was the core of conversation here. if I would've been here longer and actually knew that I wouldn't have brought this up

And I apologize for responding the way I did.

You’re seriously not to know. We should be better.

For what it’s worth, we are a friendly bunch generally and you’re just witnessing a bit of typically dry humor.

Welcome to the board. *hug*

 

[Nyotarules]

Here's the real question: was the SS Beagle armed('Bread andCircuses')? In other words if things went pair shaped how long till help?

Very realistically posting.

Because she was missing for six years...

The next question is did any of her crew try to send an emergency message? And were they stopped from doing so? By her Captain?

In other words how stupid were they? The Captain, was...but what about the rest of the crew?

And this gets back to the American pioneers of the nineteenth century. They can be divided into three groups. The first group, 'we don't need guns, except for occasional hunting. ' The second group 'Yah, we need guns...zzz, say what? And the last group were at the ready - not bothered.

The last group always showed that they were willing and able to defend themselves. Pretending that there are no hostiles "out there" even gangs of Europeans is not something that produces long life.

In still other words, how much were/are ships like the SS Beagle like the Dutch East India Company?

If commercial ships were expected to surrender and die, then what is the point of going out there to die? In other words if you stayed home, you would be a prisoner of United Earth...

Space is not the final frontier. In the Trek universe other beings live in space, the human concept that space is to be colonised and conquered is from a romantic image of real life European colonisers who were really invaders of someone else's land.

 

[XCV330]

Space is not the final frontier, in the Trek universe other beings live in space, the human concept that space is to be colonised and conquered is from a romantic image of real life European colonisers who were really invaders of someone else's land.

they occasionally went to places no one else occupied, like the Melanesians moving and settling islands across the southern pacific, but then the planet ends up exploding for no explained reason
or has some ancient malevolent entity hanging around. Star Trek takes place in a pretty crowded galaxy.

I just joined this forum three days ago I didn't know it was the core of conversation here. if I would've been here longer and actually knew that I wouldn't have brought this up

Hi! No problem. We ALL Bring it up, all the time, to the infinite delight of @1001001 . Myself of course I never say a word about the fact that Starfleet is most definitely a military organization that is also involved in science and exploration much like the navies of the past. Where was I. Welcome to the forum! Glad you are here.

 

[FredH]

Space is not the final frontier, in the Trek universe other beings live in space, the human concept that space is to be colonised and conquered is from a romantic image of real life European colonisers who were really invaders of someone else's land.

Well, frontier of knowledge…

 

[1001001]

Hi! No problem. We ALL Bring it up, all the time, to the infinite delight of @1001001 .

Delight?



No.

 

[Shawnster]

So they cling onto this illusion of Starfleet not being one all because Picard has one line of dialogue in "Peak Performance" that they latch onto to 'prove' Starfleet isn't one.

Even though there are hundreds of episodes that completely disprove that single line.

Starfleet is what a military looks like in a utopia.

Too bad the Federation isn't a utopia.

It's PR. Starfleet isn't a military because Starfleet (and the Federation) says they aren't a military. It's the same PR that went into calling the militarized arm of Japan the Japanese Defense Force. They aren't a military, they are a defense force that is responsible for protecting and defending Japan against invading foreign militaries.

For decades the United States did not have a War Department. Instead it had a Department of Defense.

The People's Republic of China definitely is not a republic of the Chinese people.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

 

[Jason X-Mas]

Space is not the final frontier, in the Trek universe other beings live in space, the human concept that space is to be colonised and conquered is from a romantic image of real life European colonisers who were really invaders of someone else's land.

The Federation though is not about conquest. It's about exploring space and when they make colonies they make sure their isn't people already living on the planet. Not to mention I think people see it as the future. One of these days once we completely trashed this planet we are going to need to go out into space to survive and find a new place to live.

 

[Turtletrekker]

@Alisa -- let me join the chorus and apologize if my post came off as dismissive. I just brought up all the points that inevitably get brought up whenever this argument comes up. Welcome to the board.