What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[SatrianiRules]

I personally love First Contact, as a decent Sci Fi action thriller ..but its not very "Star Trek".

that was necessary (by design?) for it to have mainstream appeal, you can't get too specific with the lore or the casual watcher will get turned off, it's a delicate balance for sure, you don't want to alienate the die-hards but for commercial viability you must be able to lure in non-Trek fans...

the day after I saw it, I remember I was driving past NYC and had Howard Stern on the radio, and I remember Robin saying that she really enjoyed it, and she's not a typical ST fan

 

[USS Artorius]

that was necessary (by design?) for it to have mainstream appeal, you can't get too specific with the lore or the casual watcher will get turned off, it's a delicate balance for sure, you don't want to alienate the die-hards but for commercial viability you must be able to lure in non-Trek fans...

And it worked! They tried to do the same with Nemesis but we all know how that turned out.

 

[USS Artorius]

I wouldn't even call it the worst Star Trek since enterprise. I wouldn't even call it Star Trek. Galaxy Quest has a better claim, and that isn't Star Trek either.


I prefer my Star Trek without the crude, puerile, juvenile humor and without such things as entire episodes based on the urination rituals a species. Beginning the series with the visual equivalent of a c*mshot was enough to turn me off. And that, of course, was followed almost immediately in the next scene by a spit take. 0-2 on the humor and that was only in the first few minutes.

Take it you're not a fan?

 

[1001001]

The Orville is the best Star Trek since Enterprise.

Also, please use the multi-quote function rather than posting multiple times in a row.

Thanks.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Take it you're not a fan?

It had its moments. It definitely improved when the fox mandated humorous approach was downplayed. It definitely peaked with season 3. Never warmed up to Ed Mercer. Ultimately, I can say that despite certain aspects that I enjoyed it for what it was -- The Orville. But not as Star Trek.

 

[Santa Kang]

I personally love First Contact, as a decent Sci Fi action thriller ..but its not very "Star Trek".

How is it not "Star Trek". It was a solid action-adventure romp which is well with in Star Trek's purview. Time travel antics like TVH. Some introspection about age and mortality like TWOK, Callback to earlier villain. also like TWOK

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't even call it the worst Star Trek since enterprise. I wouldn't even call it Star Trek. Galaxy Quest has a better claim, and that isn't Star Trek either.


I prefer my Star Trek without the crude, puerile, juvenile humor and without such things as entire episodes based on the urination rituals a species. Beginning the series with the visual equivalent of a c*mshot was enough to turn me off. And that, of course, was followed almost immediately in the next scene by a spit take. 0-2 on the humor and that was only in the first few minutes.

Also a terrible introduction to the character and humor.

Now, Orville ends up having a good episode here and there but nowhere do I put it like Star Trek, because it's not Star Trek. And, to your comment on the crude humor, if that happened in Star Trek it would be considered poor.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

I don’t like First Contact (the movie. The TNG episode is… okay) but there’s definitely no solid basis on which to claim it’s not very ‘Star Trek’.

Star Trek established a very wide wheelhouse within the first season of TOS. Within reason, it can be pretty much anything and still retain its flavor.

 

[Firebird]

Star Trek established a very wide wheelhouse within the first season of TOS. Within reason, it can be pretty much anything and still retain its flavor.

That’s the beauty of the Star Trek format - you can run literally any genre through its filter and it works… to varying degrees, of course.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

That’s the beauty of the Star Trek format - you can run literally any genre through its filter and it works… to varying degrees, of course.

Literally once, it was entirely set on a vineyard with the drama coming from a bit of sibling rivalry with shades of rape trauma thrown in.

No spaceships or laser guns. No aliens. Nothing a person might normally associate with the show.

Still felt like Star Trek.

It’s the ‘human’ element that Roddenberry established in the nascent days of the show that does it.

And yes, it’s a beautiful thing.

 

[SantaEddie74]

TOS has an episode where hot space women in go-go boots steal a lead character's brain. I'm that exact same franchise and same continuity there's a DS9 episode wherein the lead character experiences mid-20th century racism through a highly advanced extraterrestrial vision and imagines himself creating the very universe he inhabits.

That's part of why I love Star Trek. The wild disparities in content, but all the same continuity and world.

 

[1001001]

Literally once, it was entirely set on a vineyard with the drama coming from a bit of sibling rivalry with shades of rape trauma thrown in.

No spaceships or laser guns. No aliens. Nothing a person might normally associate with the show.

No smoke detectors or fire suppression systems, either.

 

[SantaEddie74]

Or seatbelts.

 

[Farscape One]

No smoke detectors or fire suppression systems, either.

All we know about Robert and Rene is that they died in a fire. Nothing said about where it happened. We've seen people on fire on shows before. (The engineer in "AZATI PRIME", for example. Though he had several people around him using fire extinguishers to put it out, it shows that it is quite possible for it to happen. Robert could have taken Rene on a trip somewhere and something went horribly wrong.)

 

[Santa Kang]

No smoke detectors or fire suppression systems, either.

They really leaned into the low tech thing. Rene never got vaccinated either,

 

[SantaEddie74]

And, apparently, Chateau Picard tastes like piss. So it seems some wine doesn't change at all over the next 300 years.

 

[Set Harth]

TOS has an episode where hot space women in go-go boots steal a lead character's brain.

Keeping it real before keeping it real was a thing.

 

[Santa Kang]

TOS has an episode where hot space women in go-go boots steal a lead character's brain.

Women in go-go boots have been known to make me lose my mind.

 

[Ovation]

Women in go-go boots have been known to make me lose my mind.

Were they made for walking?

 

[SantaEddie74]

Nowadays those boots are good for working out kinks in aging backs.