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[Noname Given]

There are many cloaking discrepancies in Trek, like cloaks being detectable by motion sensors in "Balance of Terror" but not in "The Enterprise Incident,"...

Not a discrepancy as the cloaked ship In TOS S1 Balance of Terror could be detected via motion sensors if it was in fact moving.

That's why they had the dialogue in TOS S3 The Enterprise incident that the Romulans had developed a brand new cloak that rendered a ship completely undetectable whether it was moving or not.

In fact back in the day, some fans would claim this was a continuity error when in fact it was not because the Federation had seen a Romulan cloak in Balance of Terror, but these fans had forgotten that it was just a visual cloak and a moving ship could still be detected.

 

[UssGlenn]

Mirror Universe Klingons having cloaks in "Crossover" (or was it "Through the Looking Glass?") but not in "The Emperor's New Cloak."

This is the only real error. The writers simply forgot that the Klingons uncloaked in their first scene, and it never came up again in any of the other episodes so they just forgot it was a thing. It's just unfortunate since the entire idea of the episode is based on "hey we've accidentally never shown cloaks in the mirror universe, what a stroke of luck!"

 

[Christopher]

That's why they had the dialogue in TOS S3 The Enterprise incident that the Romulans had developed a brand new cloak that rendered a ship completely undetectable whether it was moving or not.

Which is my point, that every discrepancy in the depiction of cloaking can be explained by the technology constantly changing in response to detection countermeasures. "Balance of Terror" showed that cloaks were vulnerable to motion sensors, so by "Incident" they'd developed a better cloak that couldn't be detected. And the same thing can be presumed every time we see cloaks penetrated in one episode or movie, yet impenetrable in a later one.

This is the only real error. The writers simply forgot that the Klingons uncloaked in their first scene, and it never came up again in any of the other episodes so they just forgot it was a thing. It's just unfortunate since the entire idea of the episode is based on "hey we've accidentally never shown cloaks in the mirror universe, what a stroke of luck!"

As I said, though, it's easy to reconcile.

 

[Tuskin38]

There are many cloaking discrepancies in Trek, like cloaks being detectable by motion sensors in "Balance of Terror" but not in "The Enterprise Incident," or cloaks being penetrated in TUC but still impenetrable in TNG, or the Mirror Universe Klingons having cloaks in "Crossover" (or was it "Through the Looking Glass?") but not in "The Emperor's New Cloak." But I find them easy to reconcile, because logically, cloaking would not be a single technology, but many. There would inevitably be an ongoing arms race between stealth and detection. Every time a given cloaking technology was penetrated, it would become useless, and thus would presumably be abandoned until a new, better cloaking technology was invented.

Then there's intentional contradictions. Like Gowron offering K'Ehleyr a seat on the High Council in TNG, and then later in DS9 saying women can't serve on the High Council.

Ronald D. Moore confirmed that it wasn't a mistake, but an intentional contradiction to make for a better story in the DS9 episode. He was a writer on both episodes, so he retconned his own work.

But since the DS9 episode takes place later, one can head canon that a law/decree or whatever was passed between the two episodes to make it forbidden.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Then there's intentional contradictions. Like Gowron offering K'Ehleyr a seat on the High Council in TNG, and then later in DS9 saying women can't serve on the High Council.

Ronald D. Moore confirmed that it wasn't a mistake, but an intentional contradiction to make for a better story in the DS9 episode. He was a writer on both episodes, so he retconned his own work.

But since the DS9 episode takes place later, one can head canon that a law/decree or whatever was passed between the two episodes to make it forbidden.

It was actually in TNG he said that only one season after offering K'Ehleyr a seat on the council.

 

[DaveyNY]

Why is it such a foreign idea to folks that the MEN in charge of the Klingon High Council would, at any given time, be making up their own rules about whether Women could or could not serve on the Council.

I don't see any contradiction for that in the way Klingon Society overall operates.

 

[Tuskin38]

It was actually in TNG he said that only one season after offering K'Ehleyr a seat on the council.

Oh right, in regards to the Duras Sisters. For some reason I skipped right to The House of Quark lmao

I don't see any contradiction for that in the way Klingon Society overall operates.

The writer himself said it was a contradiction, so it's a contradiction. One that can be easily hand waved, but there's nothing in the canon lore saying why.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Why is it such a foreign idea to folks that the MEN in charge of the Klingon High Council would, at any given time, be making up their own rules about whether Women could or could not serve on the Council.

Gowron -- or perhaps more likely K'mpec -- may have come up with that simply to keep the Duras sisters from demanding a seat on the council. As much as Duras himself was head of the family, it's very much clear that the sisters were the brains of the operation all along.

 

[fireproof78]

Why is it such a foreign idea to folks that the MEN in charge of the Klingon High Council would, at any given time, be making up their own rules about whether Women could or could not serve on the Council.

I don't see any contradiction for that in the way Klingon Society overall operates.

It's not. Azetbur was chancellor and then the rules later on change.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's not. Azetbur was chancellor and then the rules later on change.

Even before Azetbur there was L'Rell.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Gowron -- or perhaps more likely K'mpec -- may have come up with that simply to keep the Duras sisters from demanding a seat on the council. As much as Duras himself was head of the family, it's very much clear that the sisters were the brains of the operation all along.

I follow this theory as well. K'mpec did have women on his own council at one point but certainly Gowron was a sneaky scheming politician. It's possible K'mpec learned of the sisters' machinations and invoked some ancient law about which gender runs the council and which rules the houses. He was aware Ja'rod was a traitor but kept it all quiet so he was certainly no stranger to such practices.

 

[Noname Given]

I follow this theory as well. K'mpec did have women on his own council at one point but certainly Gowron was a sneaky scheming politician. It's possible K'mpec learned of the sisters' machinations and invoked some ancient law about which gender runs the council and which rules the houses. He was aware Ja'rod was a traitor but kept it all quiet so he was certainly no stranger to such practices.

And you did have Chancellor Gorkhan's daughter becoming Chancellor after his assassination in Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country, so it shows that this prohibition came and went over the years; and it's entirely possible it was reversed again at some point in the 24th century.

 

[The Wormhole]

I always felt that TOS-ENT worked pretty well.

I always smile at this irony. Twenty years ago, Enterprise was the series everyone insisted violated Trek continuity with its very existence, destroying the unified and coherent canon which existed prior and that it had to exist in an alternate timeline as a result. Now Enterprise is part of that unified and coherent canon that the modern shows piss all over.

Twenty years from now, people will be including Disco and SNW as the shows that adhered to a canon that held up well until whatever Trek show we're watching in the 2040s waltzed in and soiled the Trek canon with its filth and has to be considered an alternate timeline.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I always smile at this irony. Twenty years ago, Enterprise was the series everyone insisted violated Trek continuity with its very existence, destroying the unified and coherent canon which existed prior and that it had to exist in an alternate timeline as a result. Now Enterprise is part of that unified and coherent canon that the modern shows piss all over.

Twenty years from now, people will be including Disco and SNW as the shows that adhered to a canon that help up well until whatever Trek show we're watching in the 2040s waltzed in and soiled the Trek canon with its filth and has to be considered an alternate timeline.

"All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again."

Remember Stewie's vitriolic rants about the abomination against canon that was Star Trek Enterprise? All one has to do is replace "B&B" or "The Killer Bs" with "Kurtzman", and it's like nothing at all has changed.

 

[DaveyNY]

"All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again."

Remember Stewie's vitriolic rants about the abomination against canon that was Star Trek Enterprise? All one has to do is replace "B&B" or "The Killer Bs" with "Kurtzman", and it's like nothing at all has changed.

And just like every other time, it most often boiled down to the person's own head canon that was actually being violated.

You'd a thought the show's producers were this guy, the way some folks ranted back then...

 

[Turtletrekker]

And just like every other time, it most often boiled down to the person's own head canon that was actually being violated.

Most often, sure. But not always. And I wasn't immune. I remember dying inside just a little bit when not only did Romulans have cloaks in the 22nd century, but they were seen in use by a Starfleet vessel. I've long since come to accept it, and as Christopher has mentioned there are hand waves around it, but at the time I was like, "Really, Killer Bs?"

 

[fireproof78]

. I always felt that TOS-ENT worked pretty well.

Which is hilarious because ENT feels nothing like TOS. It moves better to TMP.

 

[Christopher]

I always smile at this irony. Twenty years ago, Enterprise was the series everyone insisted violated Trek continuity with its very existence, destroying the unified and coherent canon which existed prior and that it had to exist in an alternate timeline as a result. Now Enterprise is part of that unified and coherent canon that the modern shows piss all over.

Exactly. And in the '80s, the same thing happened with TNG. It took years for TOS fans and actors to accept TNG as a legitimate continuation. And before that, many fans had refused to accept that TMP or TWOK took place in the same reality as TOS.

 

[Danja]

It took years for TOS fans and actors to accept TNG as a legitimate continuation. And before that, many fans had refused to accept that TMP or TWOK took place in the same reality as TOS.

And TWOK is now praised to the heavens.

 

[Set Harth]

or TWOK took place in the same reality as TOS.

Nonsense! They even use the same self destruct code!