Huh... okay. Guess I got my sub hunter movies mixed up. 
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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It's derivative, but then Star Trek itself is derivative of IPs like Forbidden Planet, so as long as the obvious tips of the hat to previous films or books are well-made and good stories I couldn't care less. Good TV and movies don't have be even 90% original to be good.
I agree. I especially love the scene were he cries when looking at his family album. To be honest I think what drags the movie down the most is Data and his emotion chip. I did laugh at some of the jokes like 'Oh Shit" but most of them were lame. Also as a TNG fan I was wanting to see the Data I knew from the show. It's almost like a brand new character the moment he turns on the emotion chip. Which we really only saw on the holodeck old ship scenes. I did love the scene when he pushed Crsuher into the water. That to me seemed both like classic Data but also something Berman would have likely said no to on the show.
*Wide smile, while daydreaming about Orville*
There’s your next spinoff.
He'll serve aboard the Enterprise-G. There's your Legacy show right there.
Surprised DISCO didn't include that in Kovich's room of artifacts...
I do think that Generations is the best TNG film — and not only that, easily the best TNG film — if mainly because it’s the one that’s the most about something in the traditional Star Trek manner (basically, time as burning us vs time as seeing us through). (I’d even argue that it’s the only one that’s particularly about something.)
First Contact — well, the first ten minutes are great, I’ll give it that, and Jerry Goldsmith provides the last lovely additional Trek theme of his career. But then it turns into a 90s Catchprase Action Movie. (The next film has a little of that too, though less.)
Insurrection — I actually think it’s a better film overall than First Contact, with a classic “come to the planet, solve the problem” plot and good pacing from Frakes’ direction. But the “Saddle up; lock and load” stuff is jarring.
Nemesis — cheezy and not-great, but you could certainly do worse for a TNG wrapup. But you could also do better, and eventually they did.
First Contact — well, the first ten minutes are great, I’ll give it that, and Jerry Goldsmith provides the last lovely additional Trek theme of his career. But then it turns into a 90s Catchprase Action Movie. (The next film has a little of that too, though less.)
Insurrection — I actually think it’s a better film overall than First Contact, with a classic “come to the planet, solve the problem” plot and good pacing from Frakes’ direction. But the “Saddle up; lock and load” stuff is jarring.
Nemesis — cheezy and not-great, but you could certainly do worse for a TNG wrapup. But you could also do better, and eventually they did.
I don't know that that's a good example of SUS. It makes sense that Spock would come from an important political family going back that far (the Vulcan Kennedy's).
I fully agree about FC, but TWOK is still a literate movie and (like Generations!) about something (aging, mortality and renewal again…), in a way that many of the films just aren’t.
Huh... okay. Guess I got my sub hunter movies mixed up.
No, you're both right. It takes elements from both.
you know what would probley be one of the biggest controversial star trek opinions
what if disney bought the entire star trek universe and owns it
what if disney bought the entire star trek universe and owns it
What's the controversy? Large Entertainment company buys popular IP?
Oh no.What's the controversy? Large Entertainment company buys popular IP?
Anyway...
Agreed.
When Star Trek adapts or pays homage to materials outside of the Trek franchise, it can be quite good and push the various series to try things outside its comfort zone.
When Star Trek adapts and pays homage to prior Star Trek... the dog chases its own tail and becomes a xerox of a xerox of a xerox.
I mean, to each their own I guess, but I think the Wrath of Khan has a lot more going for it than action sequences. There are two starship battles and zero fisticuffs (Kirk easily taking down David notwithstanding) and a lot of Kirk going through stuff. Facing mortality, loss and no win scenarios for the first time. Seeing the life he could have had and coming through the other side feeling renewed. Star Trek is a show about humanity, and The Wrath of Khan was very much about, as McCoy put it in Balance of Terror, "the one named Kirk".
Then we would finally get that Trek/Wars crossover for the ultimate in nerdgasm/ragebait.
I say BRING IT!
That sounds to fanwanky. Matalas would never do something like that to Trek.
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