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How bad is Andromeda?

I do know that with E:FC they completely jettisoned the original alien race and most of the main cast; and, with Andromeda, the final season was almost completely planet bound, with almost no spaceships.

With both shows, the ratings plummeted with the quality, but Tribune gave them both fifth seasons for purely financial reasons, in hopes of surpassing the 100-episode "magic number" for rerun syndication, in hopes of making a profit in the long run. As such, in both cases, the fifth season was retooled to be as inexpensive as possible.
 
There is also the third entry in the PAX trilogy. "Strange New World" No Dylan Hunt, but its does have John Saxon.
If anything, Andromeda may be a less drastic reworking of Genesis II/Planet Earth than Strange New World was, since at least it kept the name Dylan Hunt and the idea of civilization falling in a war rather than a natural disaster. Also, I don't think the characters in SNW had the same mission to rebuild civilization; they were just trying to find and rescue their hibernating colleagues, though maybe with a longer-term goal of trying to rebuild.

I recently got a chance to watch Strange New World on television and, what struck me about it, was that it didn't feel like a pilot for a television series, but more like two episodes of a failed series edited together to make a feature length movie to fill a two hour time slot.

You had the first episode where the PAX team discover the city of clones led by James Olson, then, the second episode set in the abandoned zoo with Gerrit Graham as a decendant of the zookeepers.

The only thing connecting the two was the PAX team following a signal that they hoped would eventually lead them to other PAX survivors.​
 
By the end of the first season, I thought it was one of the best written science fiction series I'd seen. The world building was rich and each character had a complex backstory. As others have said it fell apart by the end of the second season.
 
I recently got a chance to watch Strange New World on television and, what struck me about it, was that it didn't feel like a pilot for a television series, but more like two episodes of a failed series edited together to make a feature length movie to fill a two hour time slot.

Yes, I called that out in my blog review. I wondered if they just slapped together a couple of leftover scripts developed for the Planet Earth version, but the differences in the characters seem too great for that. I figure that by that point, ABC and Warner Bros. just weren't willing to shell out the money for another full-fledged pilot and just went the cheap route, making a pilot "movie" that could easily be recut into standard episodes.


You had the first episode where the PAX team discover the city of clones led by James Olson, then, the second episode set in the abandoned zoo with Gerrit Graham as a decendant of the zookeepers.

Weirdly, the version I saw had those two segments in the opposite order. Apparently it was released both ways.
 
I mean, it was a low budget show and had to contend with that. But they did in an effort in for the first 2 seasons or so and the "Coda" thing shows how epic it would've become.

Though I can see how some folks might have taken it badly with the reveals of the true nature of the Spirit of the Abyss and Trance's people.
 
By the end of the first season, I thought it was one of the best written science fiction series I'd seen. The world building was rich and each character had a complex backstory. As others have said it fell apart by the end of the second season.

Sounds a lot (though not entirely so) like "SeaQuest": good first season, started to all apart in the second season.
 
Losing Rev Bem midway through the second season because the actor was allergic to the makeup was also a blow to the show.
Having said that, the costume they made him wear looked like an ill fitting gorilla or bear suit.
Also, I hated the redesigned makeup for Trance, as well as the explanation for the change in appearance.
 
Similar problem as well to my knowledge. Changed producers and the new production team took the show in an entirely different direction.

Yes. SeaQuest season 1 mostly strove to be a grounded, plausible hard science fiction show (aside from the odd swerve into psychics, ghosts, and aliens), while season 2 threw that out and went for sheer fantasy that made Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea look grounded.

What offended me as a science fiction fan and (at the time) aspiring SF writer was that the season 1 producers insisted in interviews that "No, it's not science fiction, it's a plausible extrapolation from real science" -- which is literally the definition of "science fiction," particularly hard SF. And then the season 2 producers said "Okay, we're going to start doing science fiction now," and they threw out the science altogether and just did fantasy nonsense. It underlined what a bad reputation science fiction had among the general public at the time.

Offhand, I can't think of a science fiction show that became more scientifically plausible when new producers took over -- except Doctor Who for that brief period in the late 1960s when Innes Lloyd brought in Kit Pedler as a science advisor for that express purpose (and even then the plausibility only improved by a moderate degree). TV producers who care about scientific plausibility are in the minority, so usually a show that starts out striving for plausibility, like SeaQuest, Andromeda, or Star Trek in the aggregate, will become more fanciful under new showrunners.
 
Yes. SeaQuest season 1 mostly strove to be a grounded, plausible hard science fiction show (aside from the odd swerve into psychics, ghosts, and aliens), while season 2 threw that out and went for sheer fantasy that made Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea look grounded.

Even when there was something a little further out there, wasn't Ballard always around at the end of the episode to ground the content in actual real world research--or am I remembering something else?
 
Even when there was something a little further out there, wasn't Ballard always around at the end of the episode to ground the content in actual real world research--or am I remembering something else?

Yeah, you're right, he always popped up at the end to do a little segment about the science. But only in season 1, I'm pretty sure.
 
I do recall viewing the first two seasons of "Andromeda". I remember liking it, but not really loving it. After the second season, my family and I simply lost interest and stopped watching it.
 
The comparison of Rommie to Zen from B7 is apropos as this could be a B7 remake, except with the Federation as a lost ideal instead of an adversary. Hunt is the idealistic Blake, Anasazi the anti-heroic Avon, Valentine the former smuggler Jenna, Trance the alien psychic Cally, Harper isn't quite as cowardly or deliberately "paint myself as useless so no-one asks me to volunteer" as Vila but close...
 
I only made it through the first episode and even that was barely.
Of Andromeda or SeaQuest?
How much of Andromeda actually come from Gene Rodenberry? I had always assumed it was based off of an outline or series bible he wrote, with the whole plot and characters, and main alien races, and all of that kind of stuff laid out. But now from the comments I've seen around the boards, it sounds like it really had nothing to do with Rodenberry beyond the basic idea of a guy waking up in the future to find his society has collapsed, and that almost everything about it actually came from Robert Hewitt Wolfe.
 
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I made it to the end of season 2, then gave up after the season 3 premiere. Sadly the 1990s/2000s are littered with promising genre shows that lost their showrunner then fell off a cliff quality wise thanks to executive interference. An even more egregious example than SEAQUEST is SLIDERS.

If you really want to be cruel to Bob Engels, you can even throw partial blame with the bad dip in quality during the later half of TWIN PEAKS season 2 his way...
I recently got a chance to watch Strange New World on television and, what struck me about it, was that it didn't feel like a pilot for a television series, but more like two episodes of a failed series edited together to make a feature length movie to fill a two hour time slot.
It's legally available to stream in the US on Roku in SD quality. An interesting artifact for anyone whose already seen GENESIS II/PLANET EARTH.
 
How much of Andromeda actually come from Gene Rodenberry? I had always assumed it was based off of an outline or series bible he wrote, with the whole plot and characters, and main alien races, and all of that kind of stuff laid out. But now from the comments I've seen around the boards, it sounds like it really had nothing to do with Rodenberry beyond the basic idea of a guy waking up in the future to find his society has collapsed, and that almost everything about it actually came from Robert Hewitt Wolfe.

Sort of, but I think that's overstating it a little. According to Robert Hewitt Wolfe in Sailing the Slipstream, Jill Sherwin's companion book to Andromeda, he was hired to develop a starship series combining elements of Roddenberry's Genesis II/Planet Earth premise and his Starship premise, and he was given a foot-high pile of Roddenberry's notes and materials for both, including unfilmed scripts or outlines. To quote Wolfe (from page 5), "basically the character of Dylan Hunt, his gap in time, his quest, the idea of a sentient ship, the basic idea of the Nietzscheans -- but not the specifics and not the name -- and the name Harper -- but nothing else about it -- came from Gene. Everything else was me." Though he does acknowledge that Majel Roddenberry, Sorbo, and the production company executives had input as well.

The Beka Valentine character and her crew came from Wolfe's musings about the Star Trek series he might create, which would've been basically... well, not unlike Short Treks: "Calypso," with a Han Solo-esque captain a thousand years after the fall of the Federation discovering the abandoned Enterprise-K, whose sentient computer "Kay" recruited him and his crew to rebuild the Federation. He never actually pitched it as a Trek idea, but when he was offered the chance to develop a starship show with a sentient ship, he already had the basic concept. He would've liked to have Sorbo play the Han Solo-esque captain, but Tribune wanted him to be the starship's original, more heroic captain, so he became Dylan Hunt and the "Han" character became Beka Valentine. Tyr Anasazi was also added at Tribune's request, because they'd signed Keith Hamilton Cobb to do a show for them, so they insisted that Wolfe create a role for him. Beka was originally going to be the Nietzschean character, so Wolfe split her into two characters.

Wolfe also created the main alien species, but the wider backstory of the show's universe, including the 10,000-year history of the Commonwealth, was developed with input from the writing staff, particularly Zack Stentz & Ashley Edward Miller. To generate fan interest, it was put up online, and though the original site is long gone, it's been salvaged here: https://philharris.co.uk/AllSystems/www.saveandromeda.com/allsystems/index-2.html This was the site that made me fall in love with the show's universe before the series even premiered, and I regretted that the actual show never lived up to the potential hinted at on the site. Wolfe, Stentz, and Miller were also the main forces behind keeping the show's science believable, along with the show's science advisor, JPL propulsion engineer Paul Woodmansee.

I made it to the end of season 2, then gave up after the season 3 premiere. Sadly the 1990s/2000s are littered with promising genre shows that lost their showrunner then fell off a cliff quality wise thanks to executive interference. An even more egregious example than SEAQUEST is SLIDERS.

True, except Sliders actually got pretty good again once The Sci-Fi Channel revived it for seasons 4-5. There were some problematical decisions with cast changes and such, but the writing was good again.
 
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Sadly the 1990s/2000s are littered with promising genre shows that lost their showrunner then fell off a cliff quality wise thanks to executive interference. An even more egregious example than SEAQUEST is SLIDERS.
Yep, so much Sci-fi was under respected and messed around with back then in order to try and please demographics or try get bigger ratings. A lot of these shows had solid opening seasons and then went off a cliff.
 
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