What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[gabby1701]

I agree that nurses are not the same as doctors but Chapel is not a nurse, she's a highly qualified scientist who volunteered as a nurse during the war and then volunteered as a nurse to get access to quality science equipment in the field and then signed on as a nurse to get to Korby.

Biomedical science degree covers:
-Anatomy and Physiology: The structure and functions of the human body.
-Biochemistry: The chemical processes within living organisms.
-Microbiology and Immunology: The study of microorganisms and the immune system.
-Genetics: The study of heredity and genes.
-Pathology: The study of the causes and effects of disease.
-Pharmacology: The study of how drugs affect the body.

So no, not 'just' a nurse.

I agree that, even assuming she trained as a nurse practitioner, she should not be performing surgery on Batel aided by a physicist and computer expert. But M'Benga deferring to her as an expert in certain areas is not unrealistic.

So let me sum this up back to star trek lore and TOS that this shows swears it is a prequel too.

Why was Bones doing most of the medical stuff in TOS and why did Chapel only assist him like the nurse is meant too and why did Chapel show less knowledge than Mccoy?

if people were to take issue with chapel in tos been a crap character, I think this is only for her spock crush thing not for her job, I will not even call her a crap character just because she had a boring personality compared to Uhura.

TOS Chapel was a darm good nurse. In SNW she is meant to be a nurse as well and is called one. she only does more in SNW because the show runs on a very flawed feminist ideology that in reality will put more patients in danger.

More nonsense.

You can destroy it all the same way you destroy Romulus - by saying it's destroyed and supplying some bullshit explanation that's terrible science fiction. Like JJ Abrams did.



Better writing.
Better actors.
Better production design that's more true to Trek tradition.

More frequent use of science and science fiction ideas.

Okay, they use them badly sometimes. Trek always does.

Billy Wilder test for good writing 101. In case no one knows who billy is. he is considered the greatest screen writer in hollywood history.

overpowered characters and a vulcan that acts more human is not better writing

leaning heavily more on fantasy than sci fi is not better writing

having the comedy take precedence over the space exploration is not better writing

having your captain mostly absent on the bridge is not better writing.

not getting one of your key casting choice right is not better writing since writers may start writing to the actor's limits, which could hurt the story

SNW production designs are sort of cheap. in fact the bridge tends to look wide and empty like a decorated ware house. TNG bridge still looks more detailed and believable than SNW. I would not even go there with kelvin trek as that was made for a main stream audience.

 

[HauntRod]

may I also add that in season 2, she beats Spock playing 3d chess. Kirk never did this in TOS. again how is this also explained away?

Thank you for proving you never have watched TOS.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

the only reason snw spock sleep with half the women on board

So, there are only four women on board?

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Thank you for proving you never have watched TOS.

Or SNW, apparently.

 

[T'Boo]

Trek has never been stellar when it comes to writing romance. However, J.J. Trek romance *sucked*. I called it "emo-Trek." The Spock-Uhura romance, which would seem like a good idea in theory, was poorly executed. It was painful to watch - Uhura acted like a petulant teenage girl. Ugh.

Personally, I feel that the SNW writers totally rushed the Spock-Chapel romance and it wasn't written well, IMO. It still was better than the Spock-Uhura movie crappola. I know SNW is alt-Trek, but one doesn't get the sense that Chapel, who jettisoned Spock and then fell head-over-heels for Korby (no taste there!) would later pine again for Spock. I don't see the "from here to there."

IMO, Trek should just avoid romance if they can't write it well. And they can't. YMMV.

Yes, Greenwood (one hot man!) and Quinto were excellent. I have no complaints though, about Mount and Peck. They're doing just fine. I prefer this version of Uhura to the movie version, am kind of meh about Scotty, and perhaps Kirk will grow on me eventually. I adore M'Benga and they could show more of him, and Una has been underused. I thought I'd pee my pants laughing about her and her Vulcan ex. Funnee!

 

[Leo Walsh]

In case no one knows who billy is. he is considered the greatest screen writer in hollywood history.

Nope. He's not even the recipient of the most Academy or WGA awards in the category.

And everyone knows who he is.

"Best" is subjective, in any case. Some people like Aaron Sorkin.

You keep trying to make the Argument from Authority by citing shitty websites. That doesn't work, either.

Pretending that JJTrek is well-written or thst the characters in it behave in any "professional" manner is an unfunny joke.

TOS Chapel was a cipher. A placeholder for a character, defined by nothing more than mooning over Spock.

 

[Pauln6]

So let me sum this up back to star trek lore and TOS that this shows swears it is a prequel too.

Why was Bones doing most of the medical stuff in TOS and why did Chapel only assist him like the nurse is meant too and why did Chapel show less knowledge than Mccoy?

if people were to take issue with chapel in tos been a crap character, I think this is only for her spock crush thing not for her job, I will not even call her a crap character just because she had a boring personality compared to Uhura.

TOS Chapel was a darm good nurse. In SNW she is meant to be a nurse as well and is called one. she only does more in SNW because the show runs on a very flawed feminist ideology that in reality will put more patients in danger.

Billy Wilder test for good writing 101. In case no one knows who billy is. he is considered the greatest screen writer in hollywood history.

overpowered characters and a vulcan that acts more human is not better writing

leaning heavily more on fantasy than sci fi is not better writing

having the comedy take precedence over the space exploration is not better writing

having your captain mostly absent on the bridge is not better writing.

not getting one of your key casting choice right is not better writing since writers may start writing to the actor's limits, which could hurt the story

SNW production designs are sort of cheap. in fact the bridge tends to look wide and empty like a decorated ware house. TNG bridge still looks more detailed and believable than SNW. I would not even go there with kelvin trek as that was made for a main stream audience.

See, I have always thought TOS did Chapel a disservice. She was established as being a research biologist in WaLGMo but after that episode, they completely forgot that.

She was likely doing all the groundwork in Miri, Operation Annihilate, and Tholian Web, to name a few but getting no onscreen credit as McCoy reports to Kirk.

That was due to a weakness in her characterisation. It wasn't a net positive.

 

[Leo Walsh]

See, I have always thought TOS did Chapel a disservice. She was established as being a research biologist in WaLGMo but after that episode, they completely forgot that.

She was likely doing all the groundwork in Miri, Operation Annihilate, and Tholian Web, to name a few but getting no onscreen credit as McCoy reports to Kirk.

She was exactly what was shown and did exactly and only what was in the episodes.

She exists only in that context. She's fiction.

 

[1001001]

there is no good explanation for all the feats chapel can rich. the only explanation is to constantly tell us the girls are better than the boys in everything.

naaah I ain't doing this stuff again with the overpowered girls and the whole nurses can be better than doctors. bye Felicia.

Yes, this is the part that explains it all.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

Why was Bones doing most of the medical stuff in TOS and why did Chapel only assist him like the nurse is meant too and why did Chapel show less knowledge than Mccoy?

Because it was the 1960s and McCoy was a guy,.

she only does more in SNW because the show runs on a very flawed feminist ideology that in reality will put more patients in danger.

Wut da fuq?

 

[fireproof78]

IMO, Trek should just avoid romance if they can't write it well. And they can't. YMMV.

My mileage is very similar. Romance is not done well in Trek across the franchise.

 

[Pauln6]

Because it was the 1960s and McCoy was a guy,.

Wut da fuq?

I think this pretty much sums it up. I admit, if unqualified, Chapel routinely performing surgery unsupervised would have placed patients in danger. But a flawed feminist ideology.... lol.

Perhaps he advocates for old school not including your scientist wife's name on your research paper or telling your female colleague not to publish her discovery on the universe's structural makeup and stealing the credit a few months later.

 

[Crewman Commander]

I suppose it's worth adding here that Chapel was not shown beating Spock in three-dimensional chess.

What happened in "Lost in Translation" was that at the bar Kirk shared with Uhura his assessment of the current state of the game that was still ongoing between Spock and Chapel. Kirk's opinion was that Spock had been about to win with checkmate in two, until Uhura distracted Spock, after which Spock made an error and was then in trouble, because he wasn't guarding his queen well enough.

We never found out whether Chapel was able to exploit whatever advantage Kirk thought that Chapel theoretically had gotten as a result of Spock's error or for that matter, for certain whether Kirk had even correctly assessed the game.

In any case, of course, this scene sets up Kirk's win at the start of "Where No Man...", and it fleshes out the backstory by establishing Kirk to be someone who'd already been studying and assessing Spock's game ahead of time.

 

[gabby1701]

My mileage is very similar. Romance is not done well in Trek across the franchise.

yes romance is not done well in star trek I am not too surprised some fans do not like crusher and picard even after all this years.

My favorite star trek couple is troi and riker but even they were not a thing for the 7 seasons although there were hints that they had a romantic past and some of their TNG moments were very sweets as exes.

fans had to wait for the movies to see Troi and Riker reunite and marry. I would say that it was worth it.

SNW I feel has given us the worst of the romances so far and may be with a character like spock who should be the last person to be sucked into it. Now, I can easily just look over it as trek is bad at romance anyway, but it is kind of creepy how fans would only defend the bad romance of SNW while trashing the others.

Perhaps, it is because SNW is still airing so fans feel they need to protect the series at all cost. my issues has more to do with fans hypocritical response than even the romances itself

 

[fireproof78]

fans had to wait for the movies to see Troi and Riker reunite and marry. I would say that it was worth it.

Not even a little. Riker pouted over Troi's engagement in Haven. It led to absurd division in an alternate timeline and stupid comments in Insurrection.

SNW I feel has given us the worst of the romances so far and may be with a character like spock who should be the last person to be sucked into it. Now, I can easily just look over it as trek is bad at romance anyway, but it is kind of creepy how fans would only defend the bad romance of SNW while trashing the others.

I mean, it depends on the romance. Nothing gained by comparing one to the other.


Spock and T'Pring in SNW is decent. Spock and Chapel is ok, not great, but it's hardly my breaking point. Spock and La'an feels like a relationship of the week.

But, I don't think Spock should be some aloof untouchable man either.

 

[Leo Walsh]

...it is kind of creepy how fans would only defend the bad romance of SNW while trashing the others.

Perhaps, it is because SNW is still airing so fans feel they need to protect the series at all cost. my issues has more to do with fans hypocritical response than even the romances itself

What's really "kind of creepy' is the extent to which your assessment of the alleged poor quality of SNW boils down to parochial objections to the characters having sex lives and a dislike for Chapel getting character development and taking center stage "too often."

 

[Crewman Commander]

I agree that nurses are not the same as doctors but Chapel is not a nurse, she's a highly qualified scientist who volunteered as a nurse during the war and then volunteered as a nurse to get access to quality science equipment in the field and then signed on as a nurse to get to Korby.

Biomedical science degree covers:
-Anatomy and Physiology: The structure and functions of the human body.
-Biochemistry: The chemical processes within living organisms.
-Microbiology and Immunology: The study of microorganisms and the immune system.
-Genetics: The study of heredity and genes.
-Pathology: The study of the causes and effects of disease.
-Pharmacology: The study of how drugs affect the body.

So no, not 'just' a nurse.

Another thing worth mentioning is that Chapel has the authority to write prescriptions. She offered to prescribe Uhura a sleeping aid, in "Lost in Translation". Even if there were restrictions on the type of medication Chapel could prescribe or requirements such as having a doctor sign off, in the real world it would require qualification beyond simply being a nurse.

 

[gabby1701]

What's really "kind of creepy' is the extent to which your assessment of the alleged poor quality of SNW boils down to parochial objections to the characters having sex lives and a dislike for Chapel getting character development and taking center stage "too often."

1. I do not have issue with a character getting development. I have issues with character assassination which is what they did to chapel in season 3 episode 2 or when characters are overpowered. It is not a chapel thing. it is a geek thing, since I also do not like overpowered characters like Superman or Goku from Dragon Ball Z or Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen name a few.

I can even give this characters a pass since they were over powered from their origins but we already know who Chapel is and we know her skill set in SNW is not consistent with TOS and it is done in a way that shows bad writing than updating. So I will still stand by saying No way should nurse chapel practice more medicine than Dr Mengba in the name of girl power.

2. I am not necessarily obsessed with character sex lives, although this is what we talk about most with snw as the show gave this the most focus.

I am more critical of a series that turns the genre that is meant to be sci fi into a sex rom com because the writers are incompetent of writing good heavy sci-fiction.

 

[Pauln6]

I happen to think that Tom and B'elanna's and Stamets and Culber's relationships were fairly well done. Most of the others were a bit dodgy.

I was rooting for Picard and Vash. That's a spin-off I would have watched.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Pharmacists can prescribe for simple ailments in Ontario.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-pharmacists-write-prescriptions-for-more-ailments-1.7636066