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The General Knight Rider thread.

Productions were going to Canada for cost savings. that's why you saw actors, productions staff, and composers who were Canadians in the credits of shows (like "Jean-Christophe Beck" for "FX: the series", who of course is now Christophe Beck or Chris Beck). Syndication was the plan, make shows on the cheap, syndicate them.

Not everybody wants to go to Canada, though, even back then. A good show that got cancelled after two seasons because they wanted to move productions to Canada for the potential third season, but the cast didn't want to go, was "Mysterious Ways". Sigh.


Funny story about the second run of "Due South". Watched an interview with somebody from the show (don't recall who now) where he said in order to make it look like New York, they had to make fake bags of garbage ad place them all over the place.
 
The latter three RoboCop TV productions, The Series, Alpha Commando, and Prime Directives, were all produced by the Canadian-British Fireworks Entertainment (known as Skyvision when R:TS was made), who licensed the TV rights from Orion Pictures (and MGM when they acquired Orion's library). So it wasn't a case of an American production shooting in Canada to save money; all three were natively Canadian shows. And both live-action shows were shot in Toronto, as was the 2014 movie remake. Which is a much closer match for the Detroit setting than the original movies' filming locations of Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta.
 
Licensed and produced in Canada, but with deals made and in partnership with, American productions companies, which included distribution and syndication deals.

As information states online, in 1993, they had lost money from the lat film or two and were trying to make some money, licensing it out.
 
...now I wonder what TPTB's plans, if any, for S2 of War of the Worlds were. It's impossible for me to believe they could be worse than what we actually got.
 
...now I wonder what TPTB's plans, if any, for S2 of War of the Worlds were. It's impossible for me to believe they could be worse than what we actually got.

I'm pretty sure they were planning to bring John Colicos back, and to follow up on the new aliens introduced in the finale.

It always surprised me that they established that Clayton Forrester had died by the time of the series, since Gene Barry was still alive and active at the time it was made. It would've been nice to see him and Ann Robinson reunited.
 
I'm pretty sure they were planning to bring John Colicos back, and to follow up on the new aliens introduced in the finale.

It always surprised me that they established that Clayton Forrester had died by the time of the series, since Gene Barry was still alive and active at the time it was made. It would've been nice to see him and Ann Robinson reunited.
He's actually in the novelization of the pilot. I can't recall whether the episode as-aired made it clear that Clayton had essentially raised Harrison (or whether Clayton's mentioned much at all), but in the book Harrison's talking with Clayton about the revival of the aliens and Clayton's both terrified but excited to be 'going back to work' in light of how the original invasion had been buried and forgotten about...and then he suffers a fatal heart attack. :|
 
He's actually in the novelization of the pilot. I can't recall whether the episode as-aired made it clear that Clayton had essentially raised Harrison (or whether Clayton's mentioned much at all), but in the book Harrison's talking with Clayton about the revival of the aliens and Clayton's both terrified but excited to be 'going back to work' in light of how the original invasion had been buried and forgotten about...and then he suffers a fatal heart attack. :|

The pilot does establish that Dr. Forrester and Sylvia Van Buren adopted Harrison Blackwood after his parents (Forrester's colleagues) were killed in the invasion. That's how Blackwood knows about the aliens when most people have forgotten.

One of the few semi-worthwhile season 2 episodes has the characters go back in time to shortly after the invasion (in scenes that are black-and-white for some reason, even though the movie was in Technicolor), and it shows the young Harrison living with the Forresters, though only Sylvia appears, if IMDb's credits are accurate.
 
Having just watched the episode the other night on MeTV+, I can confirm that only Sylvia appears in the past.
There are several problems with the episode which I won't go into - but a couple of sticking points was that it was supposedly only five days after the end of the movie and Forrester and Sylvia have already married and adopted Harrison.
There was also the mention of "quarantine zones" and the damage caused by the Martian invasion was localized to those areas and wasn't as widespread as seen in the movie and that people were already brushing the invasion off as a hoax.​
 
The main thing I remember about the time travel episode, other than it inexplicably being in black-and-white (which was dumb not only because the movie was in color, but because it was actual time travel rather than a flashback), was that it was so refreshing to finally see daylight in a season 2 episode, even if it wasn't in color.
 
Yeah, the decision to have it be perpetually nighttime in S2 was pretty dubious IMO. On the one hand maybe it woulld have helped if some kind of explanation had been provided (i.e. the aliens did something)...OTOH, maybe any explanation they could have provided would have just been ludicrous.

That episode almost sounds compelling enough to make me want to watch the series just to get to it. The use of black-and-white does sound silly, though now it kind of makes me want to watch the film itself that way (similar to Godzilla Minus One/Minus Color, perhaps?).
 
The latter three RoboCop TV productions, The Series, Alpha Commando, and Prime Directives, were all produced by the Canadian-British Fireworks Entertainment (known as Skyvision when R:TS was made), who licensed the TV rights from Orion Pictures (and MGM when they acquired Orion's library). So it wasn't a case of an American production shooting in Canada to save money; all three were natively Canadian shows. And both live-action shows were shot in Toronto, as was the 2014 movie remake. Which is a much closer match for the Detroit setting than the original movies' filming locations of Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta.

I believe that the final, horrible season of Airwolf was done in Canada as well. It starred Canadian television actors of the time and the scenery looked more Canadian than southwestern U.S.
 
Yeah, the decision to have it be perpetually nighttime in S2 was pretty dubious IMO. On the one hand maybe it woulld have helped if some kind of explanation had been provided (i.e. the aliens did something)...OTOH, maybe any explanation they could have provided would have just been ludicrous.

Apparently the intent was to retcon away the first season's implausible conceit that the invasion had been forgotten and had no lasting impact, and instead to portray the world as the post-apocalyptic wreck it more realistically would have been a mere 35 years after such global devastation. But that created a massive contradiction between seasons that they never bothered to handwave.

The season 1 finale had said there'd be a second wave of aliens coming in four years, so I tried to rationalize it to myself that there was a four-year time jump between seasons in which the aliens' ongoing attacks had done heavy damage to the world. But that didn't work, because the teenage Debi McCullough was only a year older in season 2.


That episode almost sounds compelling enough to make me want to watch the series just to get to it. The use of black-and-white does sound silly, though now it kind of makes me want to watch the film itself that way (similar to Godzilla Minus One/Minus Color, perhaps?).

The episode was hardly compelling, just moderately more watchable than most of season 2.

I grew up watching the movie in black-and-white, because our family didn't get a color TV until I was 13 or so. I can't see any point in watching it that way, given that its glorious 3-strip Technicolor was one of its major attractions. For decades, viewers were saddled with an inferior 2-strip reproduction that made the FX look worse and kept them from knowing how great the film had originally looked. I finally saw the restored version last year and it was just gorgeous.

And G-1 Minus Color is far more than just the film with the color removed. They had to reprocess every frame and digitally optimize its shading and contrast to look good in monochrome. Color and black-and-white are two very different cinematic languages, so it was a meticulous process of translation. Just turning off the color doesn't come remotely close.
 
The Wizard starred Time Bandits' David Rappaport as a genius inventor who'd left his job designing weapons to become a toymaker, but who still consulted with the government to solve weird-science cases. I thought it was a fun show, if kind of silly, and Rappaport was a terrific actor who died too soon.
Oh, thanks. What was the tone of the series? Lighthearted? For kids? The whole family? I have to say, it's not entirely clear from the opening alone...
 
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I have no idea why, but it was dubbed and aired in Italy too! And honestly, I don't understand why, there were only 5 episodes.

I saw it, and it's bad. Really bad. I don't even know why they tried to make it. It was just a mediocre procedural where the good guys had to find out every week who the android infiltrated by the bad guys was.

People complain about AI slop, but I swear 80% of American TV series made in the '70s and '80s were written on autopilot. And, if it was science fiction, automatically (before TNG) it was assumed that the target audience was slightly less intelligent than average.
 
Oh, thanks. What was the tone of the series? Lighthearted? For kids? The whole family? I have to say, it's not entirely clear from the opening alone...

Definitely a family-friendly show with a strong element of whimsy. A kind-hearted hero who loves kids, using his benevolent values to help people in need and save the day, that kind of thing.

One bit that's always stuck in my mind was the episode where the protagonists found a girl who'd been raised by wolves and tried to assimilate her into human society. Simon tried to teach her to say "girl," which in Rappaport's Cockney accent sounded like "gehl, gehl," but when the actress repeated this word she'd supposedly just learned from him, she said "girl" in an American accent. That drove me crazy. Why didn't the director catch that?

People complain about AI slop, but I swear 80% of American TV series made in the '70s and '80s were written on autopilot.

Like the push for AI, that was driven largely by the executives in charge, who generally saw series TV just as a vehicle for delivering commercials, so they wanted it to be unchallenging and formulaic. Many writers surely longed to do more challenging work, but they had to conform to the expected formulas, or had their scripts rewritten by others to fit those formulas.

And, if it was science fiction, automatically (before TNG) it was assumed that the target audience was slightly less intelligent than average.

It was assumed the target audience was children, rather. Although there were a few exceptions, like The Incredible Hulk, the Twilight Zone revival, and Max Headroom.
 
I believe that the final, horrible season of Airwolf was done in Canada as well. It starred Canadian television actors of the time and the scenery looked more Canadian than southwestern U.S.

I've only ever watched snippets of it but it looks awful. They had to reuse all the aerial footage from the first three seasons and I don't even think they had a helicopter that could even take off!

It does have some interesting genre credentials though.

Barry Van Dyke who was Dillon in Galactic 1980
Michelle Scarabelli from Alien Nation
Geraint Wyn Davies who was the lead in the wonderful Forever Knight

Plus William B Davies was in a handful of episodes as well!
 
That episode almost sounds compelling enough to make me want to watch the series just to get to it. The use of black-and-white does sound silly, though now it kind of makes me want to watch the film itself that way (similar to Godzilla Minus One/Minus Color, perhaps?).

I found the complete series on YouTube. It looks like the episodes were taken from VHS copies, so the quality isn't that great, but, at least it's something.
The YouTube channel also includes previews for upcoming episodes, commercials, cast interviews and behind the scenes footage.
 
I found the complete series on YouTube. It looks like the episodes were taken from VHS copies, so the quality isn't that great, but, at least it's something.
The YouTube channel also includes previews for upcoming episodes, commercials, cast interviews and behind the scenes footage.
I already have it on DVD...I just haven't gotten around to watching it yet (currently working through The Expanse, and I think after that I may need something more lighthearted than WotW). I also have Quantum Leap, which I've never seen in its entirety, though, so WotW may need to wait quite awhile...

If I have the DVD version of QL, is there any point in getting the Blu-rays which I understand were released more recently, or will DVD be fine? I've got a 50" plasma TV if that matters, heh.
 
Apparently the intent was to retcon away the first season's implausible conceit that the invasion had been forgotten and had no lasting impact, and instead to portray the world as the post-apocalyptic wreck it more realistically would have been a mere 35 years after such global devastation. But that created a massive contradiction between seasons that they never bothered to handwave.

And here I thought retcons were generally intended to fix problems, not create all-new ones... :p
While not at all to the same degree, this reminds me of how each season of Picard almost works better when taken as its own miniseries independent of the other seasons. Almost.

The season 1 finale had said there'd be a second wave of aliens coming in four years, so I tried to rationalize it to myself that there was a four-year time jump between seasons in which the aliens' ongoing attacks had done heavy damage to the world. But that didn't work, because the teenage Debi McCullough was only a year older in season 2.

It's been so long since I watched the show, but I may have disregarded the Debi inconsistency and tried to assume there had been a lot of time elapsed before the S2 premiere (I'm not even sure I ever saw the S1 finale...was it even a 'season finale', or just another episode?)...except that IIRC in the premiere episode the world still seems mostly fine, and it's really in the next episode that things suddenly seem to have gone to hell.

...though, the aliens causing that level of destruction also seemed inconsistent with their season one MO, unless they'd gotten their hands on ships at some point...

I'm being a bit glib, because really, it's just silly BTS decisions for a show that's decades old now, that seem to have been made without a lot of consideration for the in-universe implications.

Why not just have the heroes who survived into S2 just find themselves in an alternate timeline? Then it would all make sense! :p

The episode was hardly compelling, just moderately more watchable than most of season 2.
But by the standards of the show in general and S2 in particular, "moderately more watchable" is "compelling", in relative terms! :p

I grew up watching the movie in black-and-white, because our family didn't get a color TV until I was 13 or so. I can't see any point in watching it that way, given that its glorious 3-strip Technicolor was one of its major attractions. For decades, viewers were saddled with an inferior 2-strip reproduction that made the FX look worse and kept them from knowing how great the film had originally looked. I finally saw the restored version last year and it was just gorgeous.

And G-1 Minus Color is far more than just the film with the color removed. They had to reprocess every frame and digitally optimize its shading and contrast to look good in monochrome. Color and black-and-white are two very different cinematic languages, so it was a meticulous process of translation. Just turning off the color doesn't come remotely close.
I'm still slightly annoyed that I bought WotW on Blu-ray about a year before the Criterion Collection released their edition, but I believe the special features are a bit different between the two, and there are certainly worse films out there to double-dip on.

I know GM1MC went through a much more involved process, but my point was that I wondered whether seeing WotW in a MC version would hit differently similar to how GM1MC hit a bit differently. It might feel more "of the time" in which it was made, especially given how 'long ago' that was now? I still don't really know whether it was worth it to pick up GM1MC as anything other than a curiosity, though.
 
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