Not to mention it was a completely vapid concept. Which, I guess, fits in perfectly with the whole Discovery paradigm.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I watched Star Trek Nemesis today and I think it's a good movie. I think it's a shame that the TNG team didn't get the good ending they deserved with a fifth film, but instead received Picard years later. Also, does anyone know why this film tanked at the box office?
Is that how the thing ended? Sorry, I didn't make it much past halfway through s2.
It was a combination of Star Trek burnout and being up against some movie with Jennifer Lopez jiggling her ass around. Either way, I'm not sure which was the better flick.
ENT wasn't exactly setting the fandom and the Nielsen ratings on fire over on UPN, and NEM happened to drop at the box office at a bad time for a Trek movie to debut.
In TNG, when the Enterprise-D had one of it's Warp Nacelles destroyed due to the collision with the USS Bozeman.
When the Bozeman wrecked the Enterprise-D's Warp Nacelle, the feed back from the explosion in the Warp Nacelle caused the rest of the ship to explode.
Now compare that to the USS Discovery where the Warp Nacelle was damaged, but there was no feed back from the explosion to the rest of the USS Discovery.
There are some advantages to having disconnected or disconnectable Warp Nacelles.
Imagine what some of the other Vessels in the 31st century could do with Warp Nacelles that never had to reattach.
They most likely had their own mini Warp Core to power itself.
Each section of the vessel having seperate Warp Cores, lets each ship be largely modular & redundant.
Taking out one section, doesn't mean the end of the vessel.
If one Warp Nacelle is wrecked beyond repair, they can most likely just request a replacement and an ally can bring in a New Warp Nacelle from storage and they can link up with the New Nacelle and be on their way w/o having to go to Dry Dock for repairs.
The idea behind "DisConnected Warp Nacelles" isn't bad, it's just a manner of evaluating how it would be used in-universe in a logical manner.
There are tons of benefits IMO.
You know what, thats actually fair. My hot take is that I dont actually need them to be functional, im fine with them existing as just 32nd century ship design visual language. Say what you will about Discovery prequel ships (and every criticism of them is correct), they have a distinct design language that allows you to place a ship in that era jusy by using those design cues. I think the future ships do something similar with those nacelles, and its something very missing from say, the Picard era in comparison.
The problem with the Picard Era is that it isn't that far away Chronologically from the end of ST:Nemesis.
Not enough time has passed & not enough has changed to warrant a drastic change in the design of StarShips.
Making the Odyssey Class Enterprise-F canon was nice, it basically lets us know that bigger & tougher StarShips do come into play at some point.
All StarFleet ships are a bit stronger, tougher, faster, smarter, etc.
Unfortunately Admiral Shelby went over board on the Networking which was a bad idea since it was a Vulnerability that the Borg could exploit.
I think that's true of Lower Decks, and those ships are generally just an extension of what came before. But imo the Picard era feels like madlibs, we have a lot of 23rd century throwback ships, 24th century throwback ships, stuff ported from Star Trek Online (the impression I got from the screenshots being shared on twitter is that comes complete with the STO black and white painted aesthetic???) and wildcards like the Inquiry. It's hard to pin down a general look of the era, but it also doesnt feel like the look is just a continuation of the previous era.
Picard was in a weird era, since they had to come off the "Attack on Mars" / Synth Rebellion which affected Ship Building & Logistics.
So ships after that was a hodge podge of new & old designs.
I know that Nemesis was released in the US on the same day as Harry Potter II, The Lord of the Rings II, and James Bond: Die Another Day. However, instead of releasing simultaneously in other countries, it was released in two or three countries each month for six or seven months. For example, it was released in Türkiye in June 2003. I wonder if it would have done well at the box office if it had been released worldwide in June 2003?
The effect on shipbuilding and logistics should have been minor, the UFP is made of up trillions of beings on hundreds of planets. The series suffered from small universe syndrome (as usual).
You remember how Shipping / Logistics was hindered IRL during the Pandemic.
It didn't take much to stop parts from getting from one place to another.
Some critical parts must be "Non-Replicable" that would've inhibited the logistics of Ship Building to the point where recycling old StarShips became viable.
This isn't even counting the labor shortage of losing the Synth Work Force.
The pandemic was a global issue, if the pandemic was restricted to one nation, the rest of the world would carry on as normal.
StarFleet Ship Building must be a Pan-Federation issue as well, the fact that they lost so many ships at once, lost one of their Primary Ship Yards, lost their Droid Work Force.
The Logistics Chain for building StarFleet StarShips must be massive given all the stuff that goes into a StarShip.
The Casualties from the "Attack on Mars".
- 92,143 dead
- at least 20,000 ships, including Romulan rescue armada, destroyed
- Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards destroyed
- Martian colonies destroyed
- As of 2399, Mars remained ablaze
Losing that many skilled & specialized workers is very hard to replace.
Losing the entire Martian Colony & Utopia Planetia Ship Yard.
Losing the F8 Synth Work Force with no replacement in the near future.
Curing the Martian Planet Wide fire so you can reuse Mars as a resource to harvest from is critical.
I don't think it's that simple to get back to life as normal.
It would take decades to bring the capabilities back to where it once was.
I think that's a decent in universe explanation (I was even thinking that myself while making my comment) but I think that out of universe they were just a lot less interested in being careful or cohesive as it relates to the ship design language. I can buy it as a head-canon at least.
Even if it makes sense I think it's good to step outside the universe and look at the purpose of the shared language, being able to see a progression of the world and make an era feel similar or distinct based on the ships used. Even Lower Decks, while continuing what the TNG era did, made a small distinction in giving a lot of their ships sovereign class nacelles.
I also think that this is true, the hodgepodge doesnt come from them using old ships (entirely) but from all their supposedly new ships being so jumbled. I can see something hampering their ship making ability (though not necessarily to the extent implied, like you say it's very small universe syndrome) but I dont see how that would hamper their ability to make the ships they do create have a shared design language, or even a couple, rather than just a mix of everything.
Unless the population of Romulus was a few million people, 20,000 ships would not carry a planets population.
The franchise worldbuilding when it came to numbers was always too low and unrealistic.
They didn't expect the Sun in the Romulas System to detonate early, the expected Time Table for the Super Nova was too early which screwed up their logistics plan.
And the 20,000 ships was just a fraction of the total rescue armada.
There were supposed to be ships within the Romulan Fleet as well used to help evacuate the 900 Million people.
DS9 Worf didn't have a lot of development to me. Probably because I hated his romance with Dax ( I hate Dax the character, but even more I hate how Terry Farrell played her). There was a decent arc about his development in command, but that was about it.
They didn't focus at all on the fact him turning Gowron away would destroy his House and impact his brother until his brother came to the station to die. He didn't really solve his issues with or become a father to Alexander. There were just half baked developments with Word but he didn't get much to really chew on.
I agree with Michael Dorn, they made Worf a terrible father. I think him redeeming himself with Alexander would be one of the better possible TV movies of Trek they could do.
Honestly, the whole Romulan supernova thing was dumb.
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