Just the Ravens name made me immediately think of football.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I prefer ladies Triad. Guys just don't do it for me.Triad, anyone?
The Ravens use to be the Browns but when Cleveland got a team back they were able to get the name and all records and stats that came from them. In essence the Ravens were then treated as a expansion team that got started in 1996. It's also what should have happened in Huston. The Huston Texans should be the Huston Oilers and the Tennessee Titans should not have old Oiler records. Early Campbell and Warren Moon and others will always be Oilers and always Oilers no matter what some official record book might say. What happened in Tennessee is the sports version of ignoring and not respecting canon. But people's head canon knows the REAL TRUTH.
Now lets talk about the confusing legacy of the LA Rams and where we take in account their short but memorable time as the St Louis Rams! Also ignore all arguments that say the Chargers are in LA and Raiders are in Vegas. They will always be the San Diego Charges and Oakland Raiders, forever!
''Say......that's a nice ball.''Triad, anyone?
Interesting enough those outfits will be required by law for all men to wear when the Future is Female time comes. Hope all the guys out their are getting in shape for it.
With respect, pluck dat spit. My Jason Stathamish head is still combined with a Philip Seymour Hoffmanish gut. The universe may not be ready for such a combo.
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I just read that in Robert Patrick's voice.
Not in any way limited to Star Trek: There’s this extremely common phenomenon of “I don’t approve of this movie or series, so the acting sucks! the FX sucks! the drama sucks! the music sucks! it all sucks! Completely unlike that other move or series I really like, being unaware that the acting, FX, writing and music there are made by exactly the same people at exactly the same level of professional quality!”
But sometimes a actor can be good on one movie and be bad in another. Same with writers,directors. Basically anyone not named Terry Matalas.
Looking over quite a few posts over the last couple of weeks, I have a problem.
It is the old argument 'Form over Substance '...
When I read a book or watch a live action play, or screen play, I prefer 'Substance', over 'form'.
The profound difference between a well written and edited script versus one that the writer, for whatever reason, and the editors who edited it didn't bother to do a proper job on the amount and quality, there of; or couldn't do a proper job.
Is the difference in results between a Master Blacksmith, and an apprentice who doesn't understand, as of yet the actual requirements of professional work.
In other words, apprentice hasn't learned squat yet...
Rouge One versus Star Wars Episode VII...
But if no one sits down and actually thinks about what they want to accomplish, then there is a problem with their understanding of the subject matter.
I have come to this conclusion over many years of watching, listening and being a bookworm.
If you like go read the actual subject matter papers in the Journal of Science, published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Then go and read your local newspaper.
Local newspapers are written or are supposed to written at the fourth grad reading level. While a scientific paper, for Master's of Science candidate is at another whole level.
I don't expect that Master's candidate to be writing actual scripts- somebody getting their Associate degree in English is good enough. Especially for an audience of fifteen year olds and up.
Let's look at Star Trek: Enterprise.
Do you really think that actual humans in the crew would be like that? Do you think that while on the bridge, professional conversations would be like that?
Sometimes, yes, but very rare. On the Bridge most of the Bridge crew would be focused on their appointed tasks. Why? Because if they aren't, then somebody might get killed.
Now look at the TOS episode 'The Naked Time '... as the crew, started succumb to the effects of the substance, their behavior changed. This is fine if this had never happened on a ship in recent history. By recent, I mean the last one hundred years or so.
Now look at the TNG episode 'The Naked Now '...realistically, these events should have set off alarm bells in the first ship's computer. And total quarantine measures would have gone into effect. No need for the crew to lock down the ship. It would be done.
For a bad writer, things that shouldn't go wrong will. For a good writer, they would come at it from a completely different angle.
For the surviving crew on the first ship, blocking them from taking disastrous action, would become the computer systems primary objective.
In other words the First Law of Robotics. Now read collection 'I, Robot' by Dr. ISSAC ASIMOV.
It is the old argument 'Form over Substance '...
When I read a book or watch a live action play, or screen play, I prefer 'Substance', over 'form'.
The profound difference between a well written and edited script versus one that the writer, for whatever reason, and the editors who edited it didn't bother to do a proper job on the amount and quality, there of; or couldn't do a proper job.
Is the difference in results between a Master Blacksmith, and an apprentice who doesn't understand, as of yet the actual requirements of professional work.
In other words, apprentice hasn't learned squat yet...
Rouge One versus Star Wars Episode VII...
But if no one sits down and actually thinks about what they want to accomplish, then there is a problem with their understanding of the subject matter.
I have come to this conclusion over many years of watching, listening and being a bookworm.
If you like go read the actual subject matter papers in the Journal of Science, published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Then go and read your local newspaper.
Local newspapers are written or are supposed to written at the fourth grad reading level. While a scientific paper, for Master's of Science candidate is at another whole level.
I don't expect that Master's candidate to be writing actual scripts- somebody getting their Associate degree in English is good enough. Especially for an audience of fifteen year olds and up.
Let's look at Star Trek: Enterprise.
Do you really think that actual humans in the crew would be like that? Do you think that while on the bridge, professional conversations would be like that?
Sometimes, yes, but very rare. On the Bridge most of the Bridge crew would be focused on their appointed tasks. Why? Because if they aren't, then somebody might get killed.
Now look at the TOS episode 'The Naked Time '... as the crew, started succumb to the effects of the substance, their behavior changed. This is fine if this had never happened on a ship in recent history. By recent, I mean the last one hundred years or so.
Now look at the TNG episode 'The Naked Now '...realistically, these events should have set off alarm bells in the first ship's computer. And total quarantine measures would have gone into effect. No need for the crew to lock down the ship. It would be done.
For a bad writer, things that shouldn't go wrong will. For a good writer, they would come at it from a completely different angle.
For the surviving crew on the first ship, blocking them from taking disastrous action, would become the computer systems primary objective.
In other words the First Law of Robotics. Now read collection 'I, Robot' by Dr. ISSAC ASIMOV.
Yes. I do believe that in fiction and in the Star Trek universe that professional conversations on a vessel bridge can be like that.
This is fiction. Not a damn U.S. Navy documentary filmed on an aircraft carrier.
This is fiction. Not a damn U.S. Navy documentary filmed on an aircraft carrier.
This is a feature of Star Trek going way back. In the Naked Time and officer infects the entire crew just by removing a globe and not following containment rules.
But, I'm not watching Trek for realism. That ship sailed a long time ago for me.
Probably a controversial opinion in itself, but I like Star Trek best when it's abstract and feels almost non-literal. The more detail or "realism" writers try to add to the setting, the less appealing it is IMO.
I like it as a world where space is just an endless expanse of adventure, and doesn't quite make sense (hence why you can be at a starbase one week and beyond known space the next week, and why we can encounter a tiny defenceless planet one week and a brutal interstellar empire the next, without needing an explanation as to how the former hasn't been destroyed by the latter despite ostensibly existing nearby).
A lot of the Klingon politics stuff in TNG fails for me, along with DS9's war arc and SNW's callbacks, because it's all trying to connect the dots in a setting that, in its best moments, totally resists any kind of consistent logic between stories. The planets, species, and lifeforms work best as symbols and allegories rather than attempts at depicting believable civilizations.
I like it as a world where space is just an endless expanse of adventure, and doesn't quite make sense (hence why you can be at a starbase one week and beyond known space the next week, and why we can encounter a tiny defenceless planet one week and a brutal interstellar empire the next, without needing an explanation as to how the former hasn't been destroyed by the latter despite ostensibly existing nearby).
A lot of the Klingon politics stuff in TNG fails for me, along with DS9's war arc and SNW's callbacks, because it's all trying to connect the dots in a setting that, in its best moments, totally resists any kind of consistent logic between stories. The planets, species, and lifeforms work best as symbols and allegories rather than attempts at depicting believable civilizations.
I think Star Trek goes well when it strikes a balance, avoiding full allegory. Allegories are something I have slowly soured on as I age, with each one being case by case.
While I don't watch Trek for full realism there is a balance to be struck if the world is treated as continuous existence in the fantasy realm.
While I don't watch Trek for full realism there is a balance to be struck if the world is treated as continuous existence in the fantasy realm.
I didn't say that it was the United States Navy the USS Enterprise CVAN-65...
Just like that I don't like the probabilities of the Bills, losing four Superbowls in a row. Grrrrr. Now that is fiction.
Look if you prefer Form over Substance, you miss the point of high level stoy telling.
We are not at the first grade level of the Dick and Jane readers. Nor are we at the Sitcom level of 'All in the Family', nor 'Mork and Mindy'.
And we are supposed to be beyond 'Space 1999'.
Q
We aren't buying a brand new 1979 Buick Century, that is so badly built, that by the time you have driven it the first mile off the lot, it needs a tow back to said dealership.
Quality over quantity.
What we should be getting is season one of 'The Expanse '.
Just like that I don't like the probabilities of the Bills, losing four Superbowls in a row. Grrrrr. Now that is fiction.
Look if you prefer Form over Substance, you miss the point of high level stoy telling.
We are not at the first grade level of the Dick and Jane readers. Nor are we at the Sitcom level of 'All in the Family', nor 'Mork and Mindy'.
And we are supposed to be beyond 'Space 1999'.
Q
We aren't buying a brand new 1979 Buick Century, that is so badly built, that by the time you have driven it the first mile off the lot, it needs a tow back to said dealership.
Quality over quantity.
What we should be getting is season one of 'The Expanse '.
Spock and Tormolen were not wearing containment suits when they beamed down to Psi 2000. Those were thermal suits only intended to protect them against the cold. When they beamed down, their mission was simply to retrieve a research team from a frozen planet.
Lt. (j.g.) Tormolen should have reported to Spock that he had taken off his glove after Spock belatedly ordered him not to expose himself to anything.
However, when the landing party returned to the ship, they were subjected to decontamination protocols, and afterwards they were medically examined.
Part of the conceit of "The Naked Time" was that the source of the infection involved behavior of water that the Federation didn't know about, that their decontamination equipment was unable to filter out, and that their medical sensors were unable to detect without special modifications.
You still don't take your glove off.
That episode yanks me out real quick with that.
There wasn't a seal to begin with, but yeah I agree.
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