Cage-SNW-TOS Enterprise
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Those bring back memories.Let me know when you can make out the scale on something like this.
Hell, I’m only 41, but when I was growing up, my family wouldn’t replace anything as long as it was still working. Suffice it to say, I grew up watching Star Trek on something very similar, if not slightly newer.
Those were the days.
the other reason I'm very forgiving of scale changes is that I know for a fact Roddenberry and company were good with that sort of thing since that's exactly what they did between the 2 pilots, doubling the size of the ship and crew and modifying the model accordingly.
Let me know when you can make out the scale on something like this.
The diamonds say COLOR, as does the multicolored sign to the lower right of the R (edit: scratch this, I apparently tapped something and it went to similar images). Then there's "just history" on the lower left.
Any of those are larger than the monitor I used to look at the Trek5 image.
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that image is from the Blu-ray, which those TVs are physically incapable of displaying.
No the frak it isn't, as I have pointed out multiple times.
Here's the small versions from my site,which are still the SD versions from Trek5.com:
the image you linked on Twitter is blu-ray resolution, I checked. Now then, the image just posted is 700 pixels wide which means it's been enlarged as a original crop in from the dvd would be less than 400 pixels wide. Just so we are all on the same page.
That would be a good theory, but the show and advertising seem to strongly suggests they're both supposed to be the same ship. Plus, Robert April and Chris Pike seem to have been the commanders of the SNW Enterprise before the war. You think it would it have been mentioned if they switched from an even older Enterprise.
Why? I have pointed out multiple times that it was discernible in standard resolution, and had been used that way by myself and others.
Here's the Trek5 site version as was uploaded 2001 per the site's changelog . . . the resolution suggests it was a PAL and not NTSC source.
So long as the "same page" includes recognition that it was readable before the remastered Blu-Rays, because everyone did, then sure, be as specific as you like.
Meh, I take the Macross route and accept that SNW's continuity is only valid withing SNW. Just as TOS's is only valid within TOS. And so on. Only on TNG/DS9 was there any real effort to maintain continuity across both shows.
Lots of fans (including, probably, SNW's showrunners - though I don't leave out the possibility it all came from marketing) like to think Trek is all one big story, but the reality is the different shows fit into a single continuity as well as (or rather, as poorly as) Asimov's R. Danieel novels, Empire of Man novels, and Foundation novels all fit into one giant history of the future, no matter how much he tried to cram them together when Pournelle made that sort of thing popular.
If trying to find rationalisations for how this all works is fun for you, have at. But arguing about it? All that accomplishes is reinforcing the conflict pathways in your brain, making life less fun for you and everyone around you. Some times this forum is awesome, full of neat ideas and wonderful trivia.
And other times...
Lots of fans (including, probably, SNW's showrunners - though I don't leave out the possibility it all came from marketing) like to think Trek is all one big story, but the reality is the different shows fit into a single continuity as well as (or rather, as poorly as) Asimov's R. Danieel novels, Empire of Man novels, and Foundation novels all fit into one giant history of the future, no matter how much he tried to cram them together when Pournelle made that sort of thing popular.
If trying to find rationalisations for how this all works is fun for you, have at. But arguing about it? All that accomplishes is reinforcing the conflict pathways in your brain, making life less fun for you and everyone around you. Some times this forum is awesome, full of neat ideas and wonderful trivia.
And other times...
Wait, Flare is gone?! I was on that site, geez, nearly 30 years ago. Probably had a good 5-10 year active run on it too.
Going back to Saavik, we need a thread with pictures and diagrams to figure out Saavik's canon bra size.
Damn, I should have asked Robin Curtis that on the cruise.
What's funny is that the first few seasons of each new P+ Trek show seemed to care very little about in-show continuity between them. Then all of a sudden they felt that they needed to resort to convoluted work-arounds to try to make it all fit.
I can see Cage 1701 being replaced for the war or some other reason. I cannot see the SNW 1701 replacing the TOS 1701 seen also in future shows.
No idea why the SNW one will be recommissioned.
No idea why the SNW one will be recommissioned.
That just means you pick whatever you like best. That's okay, it's adults playing pretend on plywood sets anyway but don't act like you're somehow preaching an objective truth.
A period piece is by definition set in an earlier real life period.
Except when they decided Terry Farrell didn't look pretty with the Trill make up TNG established and painted Famke Janssen's non-Trill dots on her instead. Or when the Defiant changed size randomly and also shape whenever they switched from the physical to the cgi model or when the Galaxy class got a fat saucer when they used the 4 footer and don't even get me started in the ever changing Bird of Prey size. And what about Worf's forehead?
Visual continuity was never a major concern, it was only important until someone said screw it, we need a smaller/bigger ship for that shot.
Which is why I personally ascribe it to "Marketing" - a loud and probably numerically significant portion of the dedicated fanbase wants everything to queue up nicely into a single future history, and when the shows - and it's not just the P+ shows, ENT did this too, as did the Kelvin-verse - start flagging a little, the powers-that-be do one of two things: they let the old TOS fans on the production team do as they will because it doesn't "matter" any more, so you get spikes of nostalgia-bumps and attempts to tie it all together; or the PTB decide "we need to recapture the core audience" and the same thing happens.
I love SNW, I think it's a wonderful way of combining 2020's long-form stories and somewhat jaded audience with the early Star Trek setting and sense of wonder and exploration. But I decided long ago that whatever the studio might try to claim, this is a different continuity from Shatner and Nimoy, and quit trying to cram one into the other.
Although in my headcanon, I do use the lines (if not the size) of the SNW Enterprise as the Republic-class predecessor to the Constitution-class.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said TNG/DS9 was the only place they ever even tried to do it.
None of those, with the possible exception of Worf's makeup, is about continuity across two shows. Those are all examples of dis-continuity within a single show. I wasn't arguing that the internal consistency of any show was exceptionally high, I was saying that no show ever tried to be consistent with any other show at all, except that TNG and DS9 did, at least somewhat. The point being that arguing about different ways of rationalising inconsistencies between two different shows isn't all that helpful to anyone, especially the person doing the arguing.
Now, the fact that I'm even responding to this helps illustrate just how easy it is to get into arguments on a forum. Why should I care that you seem to have misunderstood my point? And yet I do. So I understand how these arguments happen. That just makes it more important to practice stepping back and letting things go. Which I will now go and try to do myself.
I love big ships.
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