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[Samurai8472]

5. SUPERMAN ($551M)
6. F1: THE MOVIE ($545M)
7. THUNDERBOLTS* ($382M)
8. FANTASTIC 4 ($368M)


Still there can't be denying that Superman, Thunderbolts and Fantastic 4 should be doing at least double the box office income

In a perfect world at this time the box offices should look like this

5. SUPERMAN ($751M)
7. THUNDERBOLTS* ($782M)
8. FANTASTIC 4 ($568M)

The actual numbers are quite low. Superman 2025 should just about reach "Man of Steel's" 600 million. So how can they say it's a success if we're back to a 12 year old total? Shouldn't they be doing much better?

 

[StarMan]

Well, there are a few around here who want to push certain narratives for their own reasons.

Whereas those spinning narratives we agree with are entirely objective, of course.

 

[StarTrek1701]

What should it be doing so it is not a catastrophe?

Total box office should be 700M+, given the massive bloated budget of these movies.

 

[StarTrek1701]

We have reports of dumpster trucks of money approaching Chris Evans house.

Not a stretch, they did it with RDJ and it's not a stretch to think some of the legacy actors are going to be expensive as well.

 

[theenglish]

Not a stretch, they did it with RDJ and it's not a stretch to think some of the legacy actors are going to be expensive as well.

That's not going to do the trick. It's the economy, not the movies themselves.

 

[StarTrek1701]

That's not going to do the trick. It's the economy, not the movies themselves.

I am confused. Are you talking about the boxoffice or the actors' salaries?

 

[theenglish]

I am confused. Are you talking about the boxoffice or the actors' salaries?

Box Office. It doesn't matter how much they pay Evans (or Downey Jr. for that matter).

Any future Marvel movies will not make what they used to make.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Box Office. It doesn't matter how much they pay Evans (or Downey Jr. for that matter).

Any future Marvel movies will not make what they used to make.

You sure about that?

Spider-Man: No Way Home

www.boxofficemojo.com

Top Gun: Maverick

www.boxofficemojo.com

Avatar: The Way of Water

www.boxofficemojo.com

Deadpool & Wolverine

www.boxofficemojo.com

Inside Out 2

www.boxofficemojo.com

Ne Zha II

www.boxofficemojo.com

Sources, just for you. I know you love them.
One of them, a Marvel movie, was smack dab in the midst of the pandemic.
The other one, Deadpool & Wolverine, was just last year.

Marvel has to give the audience what they want.
F4-2025, Thunderbolts, CA4, Eternals, Shang-Chi and all the added disposable D+ Shows weren't what audiences wanted.

 

[theenglish]

You sure about that?

Spider-Man: No Way Home

www.boxofficemojo.com

Top Gun: Maverick

www.boxofficemojo.com

Avatar: The Way of Water

www.boxofficemojo.com

Deadpool & Wolverine

www.boxofficemojo.com

Inside Out 2

www.boxofficemojo.com

Ne Zha II

www.boxofficemojo.com

Sources, just for you. I know you love them.
One of them, a Marvel movie, was smack dab in the midst of the pandemic.
The other one, Deadpool & Wolverine, was just last year.

Marvel has to give the audience what they want.
F4-2025, Thunderbolts, CA4, Eternals, Shang-Chi and all the added disposable D+ Shows weren't what audiences wanted.

I'd be happy if they did--but I would hope for something better than Deadpool and Wolverine. FWIW, I do think that the high point of the MCU is over for the next little while. And I don't think that Evans or Downey, by themselves, will bring it back. Spider-Man has a good chance because the character is popular around the world. All that said, I only care that the movies do well enough to get follow up movies. For example, I want to see more Eternals, Ant Man, and Captain Marvel--and I don't think that's going to happen.

 

[JoeZhang]

Not a stretch, they did it with RDJ and it's not a stretch to think some of the legacy actors are going to be expensive as well.

I will be amazed if he is not already signed and that reveal is just later for hype reasons.

 

[Mudd]

Still there can't be denying that Superman, Thunderbolts and Fantastic 4 should be doing at least double the box office income

No.

In 2019, they should. The studios didn't expect that in either case.

 

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[Set Harth]

well those are some very interesting numbers

 

[BillJ]

I love how everyone discounts that we are post-COVID and in a trade war and only judge success by "the way things were" prior to these two events.

 

[Mudd]

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That would be great, but it is on the optimistic end of the range. If they cross 600 million they'll have done swell.

Luis tends to be among the more optimistic and enthusiastic trackers out there on social media.

 

[StarTrek1701]

I'd be happy if they did--but I would hope for something better than Deadpool and Wolverine. FWIW, I do think that the high point of the MCU is over for the next little while. And I don't think that Evans or Downey, by themselves, will bring it back. Spider-Man has a good chance because the character is popular around the world. All that said, I only care that the movies do well enough to get follow up movies. For example, I want to see more Eternals, Ant Man, and Captain Marvel--and I don't think that's going to happen.

So do I, but as you said correctly, those aren't happening.
But it's not cuz of fans like us, it's cuz they made terrible movies that couldn't attract the general audience.
Fans like us can do 6, 10, 20 repeat viewings. But that won't be enough.
All these studios need to start reigning in their budgets, write fresh storylines, yet make them faithful adaptations.
They'll rake in the success, box office and people's hearts.

 

[Mudd]

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[BillJ]

Fans like us can do 6, 10, 20 repeat viewings.

I've never done six viewings of a movie in the theater. Most for me was four times for Star Trek (2009).

 

[BillJ]

For those keeping track...

FANTASTIC FOUR is not a top-tier Marvel franchise. Never has been. These are FIRST STEPS aka BABY STEPS. So, $198M US/CAN, $368M globally (and counting) ain't bad. Remember, this ramps up into AVENGERS. That's the real payoff.

FF (2005): $154M…— Exhibitor Relations Co. (@ERCboxoffice) August 3, 2025

I think the hope was that it would be a top tier franchise going forward.

 

[tomalak301]

I've never done six viewings of a movie in the theater. Most for me was four times for Star Trek (2009).

I have done the see a movie twice in the theater thing (I think the last one with Arrival) but that's a lot of money to spend to go see a movie 4-6 times.