We also don't know if it was Spock or Sybok that Picard was referring to.
Spock and Chapel Handhold Thread (S3 x 02)
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We've no idea how many kids Sarek might have.
Doh! You're correct. I've only watched STV: TFF once (and I to this day still wish I could get that time back.)
Is Boimler a serious problem? He obviously doesn't know them together. His time period is one year after Nemisis so if they marry then he should know. Unless it's a super secret ritual that no-one knows about. I certainly could be possible that they're together and not married but haven't told others. The movies don't provide much support but they don't rule it out either.
Apparently many
It easily could have been a child with Perin as well.
Indeed, she specifically told him not to wait for her.
Sure but she knew that he was in love with her / had deep feelings and wanted to be in a relationship. The fellowship was only three months. Spock has had a grand total of one other relationship in his life. There was no way he was going to move on from her in that time. She knew that he would be hoping that a relationship would start back up. Despite this, she walked into his workplace with a boyfriend and told a romantic story of getting together. He had to attend a work relevant celebration (maybe not literally that but it seemed implied that federation officers would be expected to attend) and realistically didn't have much opportunity to escape. He was forced to process his feelings in front of her. That's brutal.
I would hate to attend a work event and find the person I'm still in love with who broke up with me is sitting at the next table with their new partner and actively demonstrating how in love they are. It's worse to realise that he genuinely hoped and believed that they could get back together at this event, there isn't much of opportunity to leave and many of his colleagues fawning over the new relationship. I think that this would challenge the coping skills of most people.
A discreet warning was absolutely needed. If I was in this position as Chapel and knew that I was stepping into our shared workplace with a new love and he was very much hoping that we would get back together, I would make sure that he was warned and had the opportunity to be elsewhere. I think that a good friend who offer this consideration so I'm shocked that they didn't have Chapel react with more empathy. She's been very popular so it seems to be a particularly harsh direction to take her character. If she still cares about Spock (and very possibly still loves him based on Jess Bush's words) then she could have shown that by being a great friend and considering his needs.
I appreciate that they want and need Spock and Chapel broken up by TOS but there are ways to do this that would keep the underlying love story alive and bring out positive traits in both characters. I didn't see this here. I hope that some of the conflict that others saw in her is expanded upon in later episodes across the season.
Welcome to humans. She needed that separation quickly. Right now, no I don't see it very positive but that's not the end of the story.
Chapel is basically a mess. You can love someone and yet still know that they're not right for you and yet still try. How many times did Liz Taylor and Richard Burton get married?
Chapel is young and this is Spock's first real attempt at a human relationship after Leila. It's no wonder it's lurching around like a drunk rhino.
In fact, you could replace Leila with Chapel in This Side of Paradise now without missing a beat.
Her relationship with Korby is a whirlwind - he's a natural romantic but he still leaves her to do a long distance dig 2 years or so into the relationship.
The least realistic thing about this is that Chapel is on such a long term posting as a civilian without a specific research project and that she seems to be in charge of sick bay whenever M'Benga isn't around despite not being in the chain of command.
Chapel is young and this is Spock's first real attempt at a human relationship after Leila. It's no wonder it's lurching around like a drunk rhino.
In fact, you could replace Leila with Chapel in This Side of Paradise now without missing a beat.
Her relationship with Korby is a whirlwind - he's a natural romantic but he still leaves her to do a long distance dig 2 years or so into the relationship.
The least realistic thing about this is that Chapel is on such a long term posting as a civilian without a specific research project and that she seems to be in charge of sick bay whenever M'Benga isn't around despite not being in the chain of command.
Honestly, at this point I'm convinced the show has forgotten Chapel is supposed to be a civilian. As it is, there's only one throwaway reference to it back in the series premiere.
Just look at Picard and Crusher.
It's better with an Italian accent.
Absolutely agreed (on both counts).
Wait, he's already met Leila? I'm confused. I thought Leila hadn't happened yet.
What's the time difference from SNW to TOS. Because Spock and Leila met six years before the episode.
ELIAS: You've known the Vulcanian?
LEILA: On Earth, six years ago.
ELIAS: Did you love him?
LEILA: If I did, it was important only to myself.
ELIAS: How did he feel?
LEILA: Mister Spock's feelings were never expressed to me. It is said he has none to give.
In universe date for This Side of Paradise is 2367.
That's a first season episode. MA places their first meeting in 2261. So, SNW's current (third) season.
I wonder if fandom would have a fit if Kalomi's recast was Polynesian? ( as originally intended)
Thanks!!
Ooh! For some reason I thought Leila was at the academy. So, she could be his rebound? Very interesting!
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