What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Shawnster]

Controversial opinion: Discovery's Klingon aesthetic was what I was interested in for some a way to liven up Klingon culture.

How does a makeup change liven up a culture?

 

[fireproof78]

How does a makeup change liven up a culture?

I was talking about the armor, ships and weapons.

 

[korblborp]

"Oh, they tried to fix the first problem....which resulted in a second problem."

see: picard "northerners"

 

[korblborp]

In fact the Augment Virus solves all Klingon makeup changes if there have been unsuccessful attempts to fix it via genetic engineering or surgery. It's the explanation that keeps explaining.

and then discovery introduced a group of highly advanced "fleshcrafter" klingons and you would think they would have it figured out idk

The augment virus created an unnecessary complication to the overall narrative. Acknowledging the difference in designs should have been more than enough. Moreover, creating the explanation shifts the focus of stories to tedious details, taking away from the humanism-driven stories.

again, TUC just showing the gamut

 

[1001001]

Controversial opinion: Discovery's Klingon aesthetic was what I was interested in for some a way to liven up Klingon culture.

I thought the DSC Klingons were great. A lot like Kelvin Klingons.

They truly felt alien and scary.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought the DSC Klingons were great. A lot like Kelvin Klingons.

They truly felt alien and scary.

Kelvin Klingons are probably my favorite, maybe right after TUC because the design is so alien.

 

[Jayson1]

Honestly I didn't hate those Klingons - physiologically. And the hair they added, that fixed it even more, from what I've seen of stills.

The problem was : the costumes, the ships. They didn't look Klingon. There's this modern scifi trend of weird blockness and weird angularness, carved and curved metal, it doesn't work much. Then wham the D7 comes along and looks as alien to the Klingons as it does to us. The oufits were too out there, especially for a pre-TOS era show. Keep things simple, fabricy, maybe a few updates but don't overdo it.

And why is Trek so allergic to showing the smooth head Klingons? Not the spy ones. The TOS Tribble bar brawl ones. Just add them back like FASA had Imperial ones, Human-Klingon ones, Romulan-Klingon ones. They like to play with genetics, ah well.

They are afraid of showing TOS Klingons because it involved white people with darkened faces.

 

[korblborp]

They are afraid of showing TOS Klingons because it involved white people with darkened faces.

you mean just like many of the rest of them?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The augment virus created an unnecessary complication to the overall narrative. Acknowledging the difference in designs should have been more than enough. Moreover, creating the explanation shifts the focus of stories to tedious details, taking away from the humanism-driven stories.

Absolutely.

When the story pitch is ‘let’s try to wrinkle out this bit of niggling continuity somehow’ then you’re on to a loser.

Who cares? Like Turtletrekker, I’m happy with the Roddenberry response of:

‘That’s how it is now. You can cry if you want to, but it’s my party’

He didn’t actually say that, but he definitely, probably thought it.

Possibly.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The augment virus created an unnecessary complication to the overall narrative. Acknowledging the difference in designs should have been more than enough. Moreover, creating the explanation shifts the focus of stories to tedious details, taking away from the humanism-driven stories.

When the story pitch is ‘let’s try to wrinkle out this bit of niggling continuity somehow’ then you’re on to a loser.

All of this. I couldn't have said it better.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The Affliction/Divergence two-parter was a success though. It's generally placed in the top third of Enterprise episodes.

 

[137th Gebirg]

They are afraid of showing TOS Klingons because it involved white people with darkened faces.

That really would be a patently stupid reason not to have TOS Klingons. If they're so hot and bothered about it, they could easily find "non-white" actors to fill those rolls if need be (which they do currently for the non-augment-infected Klingons), and I have a recollection that Kras and Koloth both seemed to retain their natural skin color with minimal extra makeup, anyway.

So, to quote Anti-Nowhere League (and subsequently Metallica), "So fucking what?"

 

[Nerys Myk]

That really would be a patently stupid reason not to have TOS Klingons. If they're so hot and bothered about it, they could easily find "non-white" actors to fill those rolls if need be (which they do currently for the non-augment-infected Klingons), and I have a recollection that Kras and Koloth both seemed to retain their natural skin color with minimal extra makeup, anyway.

So, to quote Anti-Nowhere League (and subsequently Metallica), "So fucking what?"

Yes, Klingons have a wide range of skin tones.

 

[The Wormhole]

The "dark face" aspect of the TOS Klingons is exaggerated, there were plenty of Klingons in TOS where the actors kept their natural skin tones. It was worse in the 90s, where a vast majority of those Klingons are white people who are basically in blackface, just with a forehead prosthetic added to make them look "alien."

 

[Forbin]

And again I say, the sanest, simplest explanation for different-looking Klingons was that it was a multi-system empire, and diverse-looking Klingons could have come from a variety of different planets. But NOOOooo.

 

[korblborp]

blackface is a specific thing, which the klingon makeup is not

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Calling it blackface is exaggerated for the most part. What's ridiculous is that there were plenty of African American actors with the exact skin tones who could have played the same parts, especially when looking at small roles or extras. (Robert O'Reilly's buggy eyes would be difficult to replace )

 

[gweeps]

I mean, hasn't King Kong been considered by some to be racist against black men?

 

[137th Gebirg]

I mean, hasn't King Kong been considered by some to be racist against black men?

I vaguely recall some people believing that. Thankfully, it didn’t really stop other studios from producing remakes and sequels in that and other associated franchises.

If anyone chooses to dig deeply enough into anything, one can effectively manufacture a multitude of reasons to be offended about some profoundly stupid shit.

 

[fireproof78]

I vaguely recall some people believing that. Thankfully, it didn’t really stop other studios from producing remakes and sequels in that and other associated franchises.

If anyone chooses to dig deeply enough into anything, one can effectively manufacture a multitude of reasons to be offended about some profoundly stupid shit.

It's like a doctor I heard on a podcast this past week: if you demand a full MRI regardless of medical advice they will do it and they will find something wrong. Why? Because bodies wear out over time and something will be wrong.